July 19, 2017

*** This hand was suggested by Inushtuk1
68*-79  ?
68%
23%
3%
2%
1%
0%
0%
Total votes: 171
Rosemarie44
2052 votes

Joined: March 2016

 
 
 
Wednesday 3:27 AM
Kept the better of the two pegging hands 2-3-5-K and started with 4 points in the hand before the cut. The combined values of toss 6-8 are 11.89 points and 2-3, 11.88 points (avg. exp. hand and crib values)
By tossing 2-3 the value of the hand is reduced to 2 points (before cut) and the avg. exp. hand is 4.74 points vs. 7.26 points for toss 6-8.
There may be a lesson on today's hand.
Jazzselke
2585 votes

Joined: March 2009

 
 
 
Wednesday 3:36 AM
Close call, tempting to throw 23. Remember Ras writing about middle cards with this type of hand, 235X: 68, 77, 78, 89 go the crib.
Ras2829 says: Hi jazzselke: Great to see your posting relative to that comment as that will be the essence of what I have to say today. Have you built a new room to your house to display all those crib trophies you've been stacking up? WOW!!!
Ras2829 says: Hi jazzselke: Great to see your posting relative to that comment as that will be the essence of what I have to say today. Have you built a new room to your house to display all those crib trophies you've been stacking up? WOW!!!
Inushtuk1 says: Hi Ras. Tread lightly. Jazzselke may be a little cranky this week, as the poor fellow had no one to beat up on in sanctioned tournament play last week-end. ; - )
Inushtuk1 says: Hi Ras. Tread lightly. Jazzselke may be a little cranky this week, as the poor fellow had no one to beat up on in sanctioned tournament play last week-end. ; - )
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dec
6356 votes

Joined: April 2008

 
 
 
Wednesday 4:27 AM
We are trailing scores and positions but not that much to seperate from the sacrafice rule 3-5. Gor for ten pointer and hope for a crib fill. dec
dec
6356 votes

Joined: April 2008

 
 
 
Wednesday 4:27 AM
typo 2/3. dec
glmccuskey
4099 votes

Joined: April 2011

 
 
 
Wednesday 4:31 AM
I'm not sacrificing any points to put 2-3 in my crib. This could peg well against face cards. I'm in full offenseive mode.
Gougie00 says: I like your approach here. I just wasnt enthusiastic about holding 568K, a bunch of oddball pieces. You might be right.
Ras2829
5152 votes

Joined: November 2008

 
 
 
Wednesday 4:53 AM
In hands such as this (2-3-5-X with two middle cards), combined values will favor tossing the two middle cards except for the 7-9. Discard 6-8, 7-7, 7-8, or 8-9 to own crib. When the 7-9 shows up in the middle, it's time to discard the 2-3. You'll be surprised how often this works out better than you expect. I've chosen an offense strategy and will take what I can in the pegging sequences. Would play this hand this way in most positions on the board. Only deviation would ben end-game situations where it appears that I can win only by pegging. Then RAS would retain 2-3-6-8.
Ras2829 says: Should have noted in an end-game scenario that the 3-5-6-8 is a better choice than 2-3-6-8 if needing three pegs or more as in a game where scores are 118* - 117.
Inushtuk1 says: Hi Ras. So are you saying if you needed less than three points you would keep 2-3-6-8?
Ras2829 says: Hi Inushtuk1: Yup if needing two points would have kept 2-3-6-8 in hypothetical end-game. More likely to score three or more with 3-5-6-8 as can pick off a four spot with 3-5 or 5-6, can pick off a 7 spot with either 5-6 or 6-8. The 6-8 covers all the middle cards in either case. Folks often miss that in end game card retention. There is no need to hold 7-8 as only covers 7-8 whereas 6-8 or 7-9 will score on any middle card lead. True if opponent plays out, dealer can score 15-2 and last card for three pegs. Rambling here as none of this relates directly to the puzzle of this day.
Gougie00
5728 votes

Joined: March 2008

 
 
 
Wednesday 4:54 AM
Thought about putting 23 in my crib but opted for 68. Optimal cut gives me 6 points. I'm behind by 11 and will peg offensively. The 5 cut means there are some points in the crib as well.
spin121
299 votes

Joined: March 2016

 
 
 
Wednesday 6:08 AM
2 3 will do me more good in my crib than in my hand. That's more story and I'm sticking to it. Only one X card in my hand and a 5 was cut. Gotta believe pone has a decent hand. Will wait until first card show by pone before deciding how aggressive to peg this. Feeling like optimal with a bent towards offense.
JRCeagle78
1054 votes

Joined: June 2016

 
 
 
Wednesday 7:13 AM
I briefly looked at throwing 6-8 into my crib, but chasing after a 7 from my opponent or the cut card does not usually work out. With a 6 a more likely discard from my opponent, I chose 3-6. I may have sacrificed some pegging strength
jmath714
1298 votes

Joined: January 2012

 
 
 
Wednesday 11:10 AM
My good friend Glmccuskey has taught me how to toss this one.
cribbagepogo says: But you are keeping it secret?
jmath714 says: Sorry it's toss the 2-3.
james500
3921 votes

Joined: June 2013

 
 
 
Wednesday 1:07 PM
Both 2-3 and 5-6 justify a two point reduction in hand score, so either should be acceptable here. I'll go with 2-3.
Coeurdelion
5593 votes

Joined: October 2007

 
 
 
Wednesday 2:45 PM
The obvious discard is 6-8 but perhaps 2-3 is worth examining:

2-3-5-K: 4pts + 4½pts (Schell; 4.63) = 8½pts

5-6-8-K: 2pts + 6¾pts (Schell: 7.00) = 8¾pts

Potential:

2-3-5-K: Improves with AAAA, 222, 333, 4444, 555, 7777, 888 + 15xXs = 39 cuts = 39/46 = 84.8% up to 7/8/10pts with AAAA, 222, 333, 4444, 555+ 15xXs = 32 cuts.

5-6-8-K: Improves with AAAA, 222, 4444, 555, 666, 7777, 888, 9999 + 15xXs = 43/46 = 93.5% up to 7/8pts with 4444, 7777 = 8 cuts.

Pegging:

2-3-5-K should peg better with 3 low cards and a high card.

Position:

We're very nearly in 3rd street CPZ 69-73 but Pone is 11pts ahead so I'll play Offense to try to gain the advantage.

Summary:

2-3-5-K starts with ¼pt less than 5-6-8-K and it has fewer cuts for improvement but 2-3-5-K has a better maximum with 6 cuts for 10pts (555, KKK) and 32 cuts for 7-10pts. Also it should peg better. So I'll throw the suited 6-8.
HalscribCLX
5316 votes

Joined: February 2008

 
 
 
Wednesday 3:07 PM
At 68*-79 playing an Offense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s sre:

_______________Our
Offense___Hand_Pegs_Crib_Total____W3 %___W4 %
5-6-8-K___4.74+3.96+6.87=15.57____6.1____26.1
2-3-5-K___7.26+3.46+4.80=15.52____4.8____24.0
2-3-8-K___4.70+3.09+6.72=14.51____4.3____23.4

Offense_______L3 %___L4 %
5-6-8-K_______23.7___63.1
2-3-5-K_______23.0___60.5
2-3-8-K_______21.5___62.9

2-3-5-K is 0.05pt lower than 5-6-8-K but it is best for Win %s and Loss %s which take account of the board position at this critical stage of the game. So I'll select 6-8 to discard.

After the 5 cut I'll play Defense to the lead.
The_Bee_Mann
306 votes

Joined: November 2016

 
 
 
Wednesday 3:58 PM
I chose to discard the 2-3.
BigFoot Bob
624 votes

Joined: April 2016

 
 
 
Wednesday 9:49 PM
Tossed the 2-3 which can product a good crib.