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Total votes: 170 |
Rosemarie44 2052 votes Joined: March 2016 |
    Monday 3:10 AM
A great cut if you chose to toss 2-K to dealer!
Today I am comparing 6-K and 2-K: Combined value (avg. exp. hand minus crib) is 3.82 points vs. 2.85 points, respectively. Crib values are: 4.08 points and usually worth only 2 points to opponents crib and 4.45 points, respectively. Hand 2-3-3-9 starts with 4 points and increases in value to almost double (7.90 points exp. avg. hand). So we have a very good pegging hand plus a great balking toss to opponent's crib. Did I mention that holding 3-3-6-9 is heavily weighted at 6 points with 38 cuts (83%). Of course when you realize the starter card is a 6 will all this information really matter? |
dec 6356 votes Joined: April 2008 |
    Monday 3:30 AM
I have used this type of hold I recall particulary on a fourth street positional situation. Early in the game if was ahead and needed a skunk I might be inclined to toss the 6-9. Three lead for me. dec james500 says: Thanks for the kind words last night. I lost 2-0 in my 3rd match, but as it was the 1/4 final stage I should get a few more IRP's, so can't grumble. Guest says: very good James.. seeing it was an under 33 player tourney you should get nine points for your efforts. dec |
jmath714 1298 votes Joined: January 2012 |
    Monday 5:16 AM
To me this is the best combination of offense and defense. Lead the 3 and cautiously take pegs here, as we've only improved to 6. |
Jazzselke 2585 votes Joined: March 2009 |
    Monday 5:23 AM
Only a 5 or 8 do not help this hold. 6X as good as it gets defensively. |
spin121 299 votes Joined: March 2016 |
    Monday 6:32 AM
Do I get greedy and try to make position now by tossing 6 9 and let dealer have a better chance of making his position ? I'll bide my time and exercise patience. I'll watch dealer's first card Outstanding puzzle spin121 says: "I'll watch dealer's first card played and then decide how to peg this. Optimal is my first choice." New computer and for some reason it "clicks" even though I don't do anything. That's what happened in my post above. |
JRCeagle78 1054 votes Joined: June 2016 |
    Monday 6:40 AM
I will be honest. The only reason I chose K-2 was because that gave me the most points. If I was the dealer I would toss 9-6.
The 2-3-3 cluster was tempting, but if I didn't hit the cut I could have been too far back from my objective to do any good. True. I hit the "Bingo cut", but with it being a 6 that is, in all probability a good cut for my opponent. I think I'll go fishing and lead the 6. Any questions about his hand should be answered rather quickly. |
glmccuskey 4099 votes Joined: April 2011 |
    Monday 6:46 AM
I'm looking to get to 69-72. Dealer is a few pegs short. |
smugly 387 votes Joined: August 2016 |
    Monday 9:33 AM
This hand shows the falsity of my refusal to memorize tables and just use some rules-of-thumb. I frankly never even saw or considered toss 6-K, only 2-K and 6-9. Giving up more than a point explains some of my less-than-desired win rate. (dammit) Guest says: You know what the fish said when he swam into a concrete wall ? Dam |
Inushtuk1 1485 votes Joined: July 2016 |
    Monday 11:19 AM
Learning my lesson from yesterday's puzzle; let's keep the three-card Magic Eleven thing going. The high percentage chance of a (15-2), and (31-2) makes starting with only 2 points, and keeping the double run open at both ends possibility the best choice. As opposed to starting with 4 or 6 points. With the (K-9) slightly better than (K-6). I hope. Leading the 3D of course. Inushtuk1 says: Note the strong negative delta to our opponent's crib with the 3-3-6-9(2-K), as we are holding two of the 3's Dealer needs to make it work in his/her crib. Too bad that it is, as Rosemarie points out, "...heavily weighted at six points with 38 cuts (83%)." |
james500 3921 votes Joined: June 2013 |
    Monday 12:54 PM
I'm in the K-6 group today.
Knowing where two sixes are, I'll lead my 9. |
Ras2829 5152 votes Joined: November 2008 |
    Monday 3:53 PM
Have submitted this puzzle or similar many times over the years. Seems real difficult to hit 25% on the open-ended double run prospect and the low scoring 6-K discard to opponent crib. If you hold 2-3-3-9, only 5 and 8 add no value as pointed out by jazzselke above. If you hold 3-3-6-9, Ace, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, J, Q, and King add nothing. That's a tremendous loss of hand score potential. Besides that pegging with 3-3-6-9 is very limited. Am playing offense - so both are major considerations. Since the starter card only gives me six points, will lead the 9. If had hit the hand for 12 points, would have led the 3d. Will take pegs as offered. The 9 lead encourages a Q-K response from dealer. If the count is advanced to 19, will drop the 3d to make the count 22 and see how that unfolds. That 6-K 4.078 (1,953) 3/91 scores two or less 41.423% scores, 8-11 13.056%, and tallies 12 or more 2.509%. That's a dozen or more 2 1/2 times in each 100 tosses. It doesn't get much better than that. There are only five other discard combinations of the 91 which score 2 or less in excess of 40%. Wonder what they look like? Guest says: Hi Ras: this is an old list that I noted the following: 6-K, 10-K Q-K, 9-Q, 10-Q, 6-Q ?. Rosemarie44 Ras2829 says: Hi Rosemarie44: May be an old list, those are the ones, and that may still be new information for some on this site. All of those to opponent crib score 2 or less at a 40% rate or more. Note that all include a mid card (6 or 9) and a X-pointer or two X-pointers. Many times I'm asked: "where is the 9-K?" It weighs in at 38.143% as it produces more six point cribs. Inushtuk1 says: Hi Ras. I keep zigging, you keep zagging. |