September 18, 2017

*** This hand was suggested by ras2829
0-0*  ?
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Total votes: 153
dec
6353 votes

Joined: April 2008

 
 
 
Monday 3:06 AM
Usually not keen on a 3-7 discard, but I like the amount of cuts for this hand. Lead that four again. dec
Rosemarie44
2052 votes

Joined: March 2016

 
 
 
Monday 3:08 AM
Lots of choices Ras. Going with tossing 9-9 to dealer today holding A-3-4-7. Only cuts of 6 or 9 do not help hand but really help dealer's crib! More cuts for improvement. Hand has the highest expected average. Going offense in this position the nines must go.
Guest says: Giving a pear away ???????
Rosemarie44 says: Yes.
james500
3917 votes

Joined: June 2013

 
 
 
Monday 3:18 AM
It appears that I've made the same choice as dec, which bodes well.
Would've been tempted by A-3-4-7 (9-9) if dealing though.

AAA,2222,444,5555,6666,99 and 16*X = 36 helpful cuts.

36 cuts = 6 "blocks" of 6 cards =
36 cuts = 6*13% =
36 cuts = 78% of the 46 possible cuts.
BigFoot Bob
624 votes

Joined: April 2016

 
 
 
Monday 4:32 AM
Just felt like the best choice.
Gougie00
5725 votes

Joined: March 2008

 
 
 
Monday 5:14 AM
Starting out with a fizzle again. I wanted to keep that 34 together, and 99 seemed to be the best 2 other cards to hold. A7 is usually a pretty good stifle toss to the other guy's crib.

Ugh... lead a 9. Perhaps I can trap a 5 or a 2 with the 34.
glmccuskey
4095 votes

Joined: April 2011

 
 
 
Monday 5:28 AM
I normally hold it this way. I'll lead the four.
Mumble T Pegger
175 votes

Joined: January 2015

 
 
 
Monday 7:22 AM
Playing for the max 10 points out of this mess means tossing A-4, A-3, or 3-4, which I don't like. Prefer tossing 4-7 than A-7, for pretty much the same risk/reward scenario. Will lead the 3.
Jazzselke
2583 votes

Joined: March 2009

 
 
 
Monday 7:34 AM
Agree with most commentators, best of a bad situation.
Guest says: Shimp taught me to not fear throwing 9-9 or 6-9 to opp...a tough call, but that's what I did. S :)
Guest says: Shimp taught me to not fear throwing 9-9 or 6-9 to opp...a tough call, but that's what I did. S :)
Inushtuk1
1481 votes

Joined: July 2016

 
 
 
Monday 8:42 AM
What a horrible time to be dealt this mitt! Going with the hand with the highest average hand, and most cuts for improvement. These four card (15-2) hands, if you hit one of the four, your hand will always at least triple in value, and in the case of the 7 cut it quadruples.

We have a three card eleven in A-3-7, and I wouldn't argue with anyone who wanted to lead the 7. They might even get a (15-4) if lucky, or get the (31-2). But I'll lead the more sure 4 to the Ace, to score the (15-2). If paired my 7 covers the play.

BTW: (9-9) to *our crib* has the fourth worst average of the thirteen pairs. Wish I could say the same over the board. It's the exact opposite actually. The (9-9) to our opponent is the 4th *highest* in opponent's crib average from all the pairs. It averages 6.519. I couldn't find any data about what the average number of 2 point cribs it yiellds. Ras will let us know. I hope it's a high number for our sake, but I have a feeling that will not be the case. We'll see. All my fingers and toes are crossed.
Inushtuk1 says: The reason for the 4 lead, besides the common X-card reply is that another common reply is the 8. Our 3 covers that one. And our 7 covers the 7 reply. Even the 9 reply allows us to dump our 7 for (20). Where there is a 9 there could very well be a 10, and our Ace scores (31-2). And if Dealer messes with us, and plays the 8 for (28-3) our 3 recoups 2/3 of those points. And if Dealer does want to engage for whatever reason; s/he has a poor hand, or all small ones, we have the cards to do well in a pegging war.
Guest says: It's not often a true eye-opener comes along. This counts as one in my book. I never would have considered this discard. Has me wondering how many other "eyes closed" decisions I'm likely making across the board in my play.
Inushtuk1 says: Hi Guest. I fear there may be more of these eye-openers than we realize. Almost every day, playing with the Prof, I come across one it seems. S said Shimp taught her not to fear 9-9, or 6-9. But I have been burnt tossing 9-9 in the past. Still it's the correct thing to do here I believe. Still nervous about the toss though.
Jazzselke says: A 4 cut also takes the hand to 8. Also a lead of a 4 guarantees 2 points coming back on any response except 6 or 9.
Inushtuk1 says: Never argue with someone when the are right. ; - )
HalscribCLX
5312 votes

Joined: February 2008

 
 
 
Monday 12:17 PM
At 0-0* playing an Offense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:

_______________Our
Offense___Hand_Pegs__Crib___Total___W9 %____W10 %
A-3-4-7___5.13+2.26+(-6.12)=1.27____21.6____18.3
3-4-9-9___4.09+1.52+(-4.50)=1.11____17.8____18.4
A-4-9-9___4.43+1.43+(-4.79)=1.07____18.3____18.8
A-3-9-9___4.00+1.39+(-4.44)=0.95____17.5____18.4
4-7-9-9___3.96+1.46+(-4.87)=0.55____18.6____18.1

Offense______L9 %____L10 %
A-3-4-7______42.3____56.6
3-4-9-9______36.8____54.1
A-4-9-9______37.1____54.1
A-3-9-9______36.4____54.0
4-7-9-9______38.0____54.8

A-3-4-7 is best for expected averages by 0.16pt and is also best for Win %s. Although its is worst for Loss %s by an appreciable margin because of the risk of the 9-9 discard
as its early in the game I'll put most weight on the expected averages and select 9-9 to discard.

After the A cut I'll lead the 4 and play Offense:

Lead___________Our Pegging Pts.
4___________________2.31
7___________________1.96
A___________________1.69
3___________________1.59
Coeurdelion
5589 votes

Joined: October 2007

 
 
 
Monday 3:30 PM
Several ways to keep 2pts but the better ones leave close cards or A-4. A-3-4-7 has both so does it make up for the 9-9 discard?

A-4-9-9: 2pts - 5pts (Schell: 5.01) = -3pts

3-4-9-9: 2pts - 4¾pts (Schell: 4.89) = -2¾pts

A-3-4-7: 2pts - 6¼pts (Schell: 6.39) = -4¼pts

Potential:

A-4-9-9: AAA, 2222, 444, 5555, 6666, 99 + 16xXs = 36 cuts = 36/46 = 78.3% up to 6/8pts with AAA, 2222, 5555, 6666, 99 = 17 cuts.

3-4-9-9: 2222, 333, 444, 5555, 6666, 8888, 99 = 24 cuts = 24/46 = 52.2% up to 6/8/9pts 2222, 333, 6666, 99 = 13 cuts.

A-3-4-7: AAA, 2222, 333, 444, 5555, 777, 8888 + 16xXs = 40 cuts = 40/46 = 87.0% up to 6/7/8pts with AAA, 2222, 333, 444, 5555, 8888 = 21 cuts.

Pegging:

Of these three hands I think A-3-4-7 will peg best.

Position:

As Pone we'll be playing Offense to try to improve our position.

Summary:

A-3-4-7 starts with 1¼pts less than A-4-9-9 but with more cuts for improvement and more for 6-8pts together with the better pegging I think it will make this up. So I'll take the risk and throw 9-9.
Ras2829
5147 votes

Joined: November 2008

 
 
 
Tuesday 12:10 AM
Submitted this puzzle as it represents a most unusual situation. Are you playing offense when holding two points and tossing two? The superior pegging (one of the better pegging hands for non-dealer) and greater hand score more than compensate for the 6+ crib of the 9-9 discard. Based on my empirical data the 9-9 to opponent crib averages 6.519 (206) scores 2 points 30.732%, weighs in at 42.057% in the 3-7 range, scores 8-11 21.367%, tallies 12 or more 5.855%. Does that all equal 100%? Will lead the four spot as it produces the greater chance to peg with this arrangement of cards.
Ras2829 says: BTW note that RAS has only tossed 9-9 206 times to opponent and the average was declining with each posting. So suspect in 1,000 tosses empirical data would show an average very close to the 5.12 displayed by HalscribCLX above.