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Total votes: 170 |
dec 6352 votes Joined: April 2008 |
    Monday 3:13 AM
Not a hand I would usually keep on other places on the board but here it is the best offensive keep. My first card play preference would be to play off on any A-2-3-4 lead. dec |
BigFoot Bob 624 votes Joined: April 2016 |
    Monday 3:44 AM
Toss the 8-10 gapper and see what happens. May catch a lower starter for a double run or a high starter for Nickles and Dimes. Every cut help this hand. |
Rosemarie44 2052 votes Joined: March 2016 |
    Monday 3:59 AM
Like the higher valued toss of 8-T and the small run. |
james500 3916 votes Joined: June 2013 |
    Monday 4:24 AM
Playing defensively as 1st dealer, I'd like an escape card. On the basis that I haven't seen a 6 yet, but only three of the fours are still unaccounted for, I'd choose A-8 rather than A-10. |
glmccuskey 4095 votes Joined: April 2011 |
    Monday 5:08 AM
I like middle card with an ace to my crib. Agree with James about defense with this hold. If my opponent leads a 2 or 3 I’m forced to pair it. glmccuskey says: I’m forced to pair it if I keep all little ones. Guest says: Interesting, me, I tend to not pair their lead...... |
Gougie00 5723 votes Joined: March 2008 |
    Monday 7:56 AM
A few different ways to get a 12 hand. Keeping the 234 means a 6,8,9 also helps and a 7 will help the crib.
Okay, I will assume 7 in the hand and 0 in the crib. Lets peg. |
JRCeagle78 1054 votes Joined: June 2016 |
    Monday 8:03 AM
I'll play defense and toss 2-3. Build up the crib and hope the pone tosses an X card james500 says: Hiya. Intriguing choice Jrc, you may be on to something. It'll be interesting to see what Hal's stats show this evening. |
spin121 299 votes Joined: March 2016 |
    Monday 8:36 AM
Just had this hand over on ecrib and tossed 8 10. I can't be very far of if I always keep a 4 card run. |
Jazzselke 2583 votes Joined: March 2009 |
    Monday 9:14 AM
Normally I would throw A8 for a better crib possibility than A10. In this case as first dealer I like 2348 for better pegging. I don't normally like A234 because the maximum is 10, not 12.Interesting, Colvert's book advocates A10. |
Ras2829 5146 votes Joined: November 2008 |
    Monday 1:07 PM
Based on my scant empirical data, this hand has the better combined value whether choosing defense or offense as a strategy. After turning the Jack for two points, knowing of a guaranteed peg, and 8 points in the hand will play off the lead and would not pair a small card. If an Ace was led, would play the trey; a deuce lead, play the four spot; on a trey led, would play the Ace; and on a 4 lead would play the deuce. If a ten pointer led, make the count 14, not 11 as so often is done. On a 5 lead, would play the deuce(remember that 8 in the crib). On a 7, 8, or 9 would play the four spot, keeping A-2-3 intact. More later! Ras2829 says: Apologize to those who were at some of my earlier crib classes and were advised as dealer not to hold A-2-3-4 or 2-3-4-5. There are times where either choice has value. Think that is the case today though will defer to HalscribCLX on that point. Guest says: Hi Ras. Why not the Ace on the X-pointer lead. The Ace is more likely to be trapped at the end of the play than the 4? Inushtuk1 says: Sorry, Guest was Inushtuk1. Ras2829 says: Hi Inustuk1: A X-point lead is most often an indicator that non-dealer does not have the five-point couplets (A-4 or 2-3). In such case, high percentage chance for one or more fives with X-pointers or all X-pointers. In either the play of the four spot will advance the count to 24 at which point we play 3 for count of 27, a go, and drop the 2 and A for run of three. Agree the lone Ace is at some risk if no X-point lead. If I play the Ace on the X-pointer, it forces opponent to ditch the five at 16 and I've destroyed the high percentage A-2-3-go play. Inushtuk1 says: Thank you Ras. I hope your classes are going well. |
HalscribCLX 5312 votes Joined: February 2008 |
    Monday 2:34 PM
At 0*-0 playing a Defense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:
_________________Pone's Defense____Hand__Pegs___Crib_Total___W9 %____W10 % A-2-3-4____8.09+(-2.20)+3.88=9.77____37.7____49.7 2-3-4-10___7.96+(-2.20)+3.80=9.56____35.8____48.3 A-2-3-10___7.83+(-1.98)+3.70=9.55____35.9____48.4 2-3-4-8____8.26+(-2.15)+3.16=9.27____35.0____47.2 A-4-8-10___4.48+(-1.83)+6.54=9.19____33.5____47.0 Defense_______L9 %____L10 % A-2-3-4_______27.9____25.2 2-3-4-10______27.7____26.3 A-2-3-10______27.3____26.0 2-3-4-8_______28.2____27.3 A-4-8-10______26.4____26.9 A-2-3-4 is best for expected averages by 0.21pt over 2-3-4-10 and is also slightly best for Win %s and Loss %s so I'll select 8-10 to discard. After the J cut I'll play Defense to the lead. |
Andy (muesli64) 2223 votes Joined: August 2009 |
    Monday 3:00 PM
Always 8-10. |
Inushtuk1 1480 votes Joined: July 2016 |
    Monday 5:17 PM
Ever since I read Colvert's book, I have been avoiding this 4 card run, and keeping A-2-3-10, 2-3-4-10, or 2-3-4-8. It took a long time to figure out that A-2-3-4(8-10) has the second best average hand, and highest crib average; for the highest expected average. And then there's that safety in numbers thing. Note how Halscrib gives 2-3-4-10 the same defensive pegging average as A-2-3-4 *despite* the former's escape card. And the other options aren't much better.
Please see Ras's response to my question in his post. If we dump our lone Ace on the X pointer, as I tend to do, we will get the run and the Go if Dealer is X-X-X-X. But if Dealer is 5-X-X-X the 5 will surely be dumped and we will lose that pegging play. We need to look for such opportunities *even* on defense. Ras2829 says: BTW - have watched Delynn Colvert play the A-2-3-4 many times when he could have retained either the 8 or 10. He always indicated when asked: "great pegging hand on any X-point lead." Suppose like me he has discovered that pegs often outweigh other factors. What seemed true a few decades ago doesn't have the same ring today. |