December 8, 2017

*** This hand was suggested by jqt
108-117*  ?
42%
17%
10%
6%
6%
5%
4%
3%
1%
1%
0%
0%
Total votes: 150
Rosemarie44
2052 votes

Joined: March 2016

 
 
 
Friday 3:08 AM
I have all the 5's and two of the Jacks. Lead the lone Jack. I will need to peg one before dealer who is guaranteed 1 peg gets in 3 pegs. Odds of holding dealer to 3 or 4 pretty high!
Rosemarie44 says: I can't count here. I have 14.
dec
6351 votes

Joined: April 2008

 
 
 
Friday 3:15 AM
I need a Jack response here only two possible plays on that card after that hope they do not a low pair to parlay here. dec
james500
3915 votes

Joined: June 2013

 
 
 
Friday 3:32 AM
Maybe Dealer has X-2-2-A, and the pegging goes:

J(10)-X(20)-5(25)-2(27)-go-2(29/2)-A(30/1).

Dealer has now played all their cards, and sits at hole 120. I play my remaining two:

5(5)-5(10/3).

I'm now at hole 111 and count my 14 point hand for the win.
BigFoot Bob
624 votes

Joined: April 2016

 
 
 
Friday 5:04 AM
I am tossing a couple of fives which will never be used. Lead one jack and try to count out with one peg as soon as you can so you can count first with twelve points for sure. Fifty percent chance one of your jacks will hit for nobs and one point for a game. any way it turns out I would love to play this hand.
Guest says: Good decision on yesterday's hand.
BigFoot Bob says: Who said a BigFoot can't learn new tricks.
Gougie00
5723 votes

Joined: March 2008

 
 
 
Friday 5:27 AM
Paramount is preventing the dealer from pegging out. I'll ditch 55 (oh, the agony!) and hold the JJ instead. Lead the J and coax a point somewhere.
glmccuskey
4094 votes

Joined: April 2011

 
 
 
Friday 6:15 AM
Felt like I needed enough to get out. Lead the jack.
spin121
299 votes

Joined: March 2016

Friday 6:29 AM
Four 5s in my hand has to wrong. But no strong opinion about this keep or 5 5 5 J.
spin121 says: 5 5 J J
spin121 says: 5 5 J J
spin121 says: The only good thing I can say about the 5 5 5 5 keep is it will keep the count down and maybe less likely dealer pegs out.
spin121 says: The only good thing I can say about the 5 5 5 5 keep is it will keep the count down and maybe less likely dealer pegs out.
Rosemarie44 says: Holding all 5's there are fourteen face cards out there to catch your 5 lead.
Rosemarie44 says: Holding all 5's there are fourteen face cards out there to catch your 5 lead.
JQT says: But he'll never get PEARED!
JQT says: But he'll never get PEARED!
Jazzselke
2583 votes

Joined: March 2009

 
 
 
Friday 7:31 AM
2 problems: keep 14 and one of your 5's gets trapped and you lose. Keep 12, you don't peg and you can lose that way also. I will take my chance with Scenario 1.
JQT
4143 votes

Joined: October 2008

 
 
 
Friday 11:19 AM
I think one or two Jacks might help us here, but maybe it does not matter. I'll allow Halscrib to break it down more accurately.

I hope everyone is enjoying having all four 5 Cards being dealt to them! And just what are the odds of getting such a hand?

It may surprise you, but mathematically, the odds of getting this exact hand is the same as getting any other unique arrangement of six cards! Yes, getting (5 5 5 5 J J) shall occur about as often as getting specific suits of (A 6 8 J K K).

Don't believe me? Imagine having a 'blank' deck of fifty-two 'un-printed' cards, before the images get applied, and dealing out six cards each. The odds of any specific card 'showing up' is equal to that of any other!

Why do certain arrangements such as (A 2 3 7 8 9) seem to occur so often, and others such as that we see today, or (5 5 5 5 J J), seem to occur so seldom?

There are an exceedingly large variety of ways the four different suits can be arranged into (A 2 3 7 8 9), and yet to get all four 5 Cards requires THOSE SPECIFIC CARDS each time.

But each time we are dealt any card, remember that the probability of being dealt ONE SPECIFIC SUIT of a ONE SPECIFIC RANK of card is equally the same or identical!
JQT says: I prefer to lead a Jack as opposed to a 5 Card, otherwise holding all FOUR 5 Cards might be wise. But why might we retain TWO Jacks instead of just ONE? After we lead a Jack, our 5 Cards might once again become dangerous after any number of replies (3333, 4444, 6666, 777) or about fifteen replies. The second Jack comes in handy here! Its only cost is that now we might have to peg ONE point.
Andy (muesli64)
2223 votes

Joined: August 2009

 
 
 
Friday 11:33 AM
Comes down to we can't keep 4 x 5 because we would have to lead one. What a shame.
Inushtuk1
1480 votes

Joined: July 2016

 
 
 
Friday 1:37 PM
I wanted to make sure I kept enough to go out with first hand show. Leading my 5s. It can’t be paired like JQT said. And Dealer will have a strong bias to retain small cards.

Good luck all this weekend in Portland, Maine.
Coeurdelion
5589 votes

Joined: October 2007

 
 
 
Friday 2:29 PM
I'll keep enough to go out and hope 5-5-5-J will keep Dealer from pegging 4pts.
cribbagepogo
3249 votes

Joined: October 2007

 
 
 
Friday 2:29 PM
Don't need 28 hand, would be disaster with just 5's. Lead J and ok if dealer matches. That's only hope to keep dealer to less than 4.
HalscribCLX
5312 votes

Joined: February 2008

 
 
 
Friday 2:55 PM
At 108-117* playing an Offense strategy for the pegging the Loss % and Hold Enough %s are:

Offense_____Loss %_____Hold Out %
5-5-J-J_____36.8_________95.4
5-5-5-J*____61.5________100.0
5-5-5-5_____87.8________100.0

* unsuited

5-5-J-J is much lower than 5-5-5-J for Loss % but 5-5-5-J is 4.6% better for Hold Out %s. So 5-5-J-J has an enormous advantage. So I'll select 5-5 to discard.

After the 7 cut I'll lead a J and play Offense:

Lead_________Win %
J____________53.7
5____________24.5
JQT says: Lots of good information here! This is the type of Endgame Position one might use not only to assess human player skills, but also to test the accuracy of a program. Notice that we must NOT allow a Dealer who sits at Hole 117 (and thus only needs to peg Four Holes) to get Two Points right from the get-go! That's because it's so easy for a Dealer to then peg a "go" and also to peg one more point for Last Card. The nearly 88% Loss Rate if we hold all Four 5 Cards reflects this very well. And that fact alone means that as Pone, we should definitely not hold all Four 5 Cards today, not if we have another option. And we have TWO other options here. Remember: An *average* Dealer pegs 3.5 Holes! Don't EVER give up an early PAIR or an early (15-2) to a Dealer who is sitting at Hole 117. Before the Cut, we also had to worry about TWO more Jacks in the deck, which means that 2 DIV 46 equals 0.0435 or slightly greater than 4% of the time, we would actually Cut a Jack in this scenario! With a Dealer possibly advancing to Hole 119 after a Jack Cut, I believe that holding Four 5 Cards as Pone would be tantamount to losing. Now we are left with a decision of whether to hold One or Two Jacks alongside our 5 Cards. We can see that if we hold Two Jacks, we might end up with just a Dozen Points, and therefore we would need to peg One Hole. The odds of this occurring are improved if our cards "add up" to at least a Count of Twenty, and in this case, Two Jacks and Two 5 Cards adds up to a Hand Count Thirty, so while it's no guarantee, we're somewhat likely to 'catch' a "go" somewhere. We might also Cut our way to that extra required point via 30 Cuts (AsAh, 2s2h, 3s3h, 4s4h, 6s6h, 7s7h, 8s8h, 9s9h, TTTT, JcJd, QQQQ, KKKK) or more than 65% of the remaining deck. Those are fairly healthy odds. Halscrib does an excellent job in reflecting this and shows a Loss Rate of just under 37%. That's a bit like playing Russian Roulette with only Two Bullets in your Six Shooter: not great when life-or-death hangs in the balance, but not-too-shabby when it comes to surviving in a game of Cribbage! Last, we look at what happens if we retain just One Jack. Here, our Hand Count is Twenty-Five, which is not quite as secure as having Thirty, but since our Hand now totals a score of 14 Points, we are no longer required to peg any at all. The problem however arises when we look at Dealer Pegging. As I stated earlier: After we lead a Jack, our 5 Cards might once again become dangerous after any number of replies (3333, 4444, 6666, 777) or about fifteen replies. Halscrib shows this very clearly, with the Loss Rate now jumping all the way up to nearly 62%! That's akin to playing Russian Roulette and having Four Bullets inserted into the six chambers! Lastly, Halscrib indicates how important it is to lead a Jack today: as I stated before, but it's worth saying again: Don't EVER give up an early PAIR or an early (15-2) to a Dealer who is sitting at Hole 117. After we lead a Jack, Halscrib indicates that we have nearly a 54% chance of prevailing; I think we can do slightly better than this.
Inushtuk1 says: Thanks JQT.
Ras2829
5145 votes

Joined: November 2008

 
 
 
Friday 3:55 PM
JQT says it all for me. Ditch two of the fives and lead a Jack. If RAS can advance the count to 30 with the play of the second Jack, would do so. If not, will drop the five to match the suit of the Jack. Think it likely that I can score a go and know that dealer cannot touch my Jack lead without giving up six points and a likely go. With these cards, will be difficult for dealer to score four pegs to win and such be relatively easy for me to get one peg with four cards that total 30 points.
Guest says: You know, I consider keeping all of the fives just to get the chance for the 28 hand even if it costs me the game. Some of us have still never had one. I just don't know if I could resist the opportunity even if it costs me the game
Hillchem
2905 votes

Joined: April 2015

 
 
 
Friday 6:34 PM
Have to admit to voting twice today. Originally kept 14 points but then decided that unless it's an exceptionally important game, the chance to get 28 is more important. I would be pretty sad if I didn't get to count it though. C'est la vie.