April 17, 2018
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Total votes: 171 |
JQT 4143 votes Joined: October 2008 |
    Tuesday 3:02 AM
Would like to stash the 5 Card in my Crib, but cannot bust up 4-5-6-6 to do it.
The FLUSH is also tempting, but again, 4-5-6-6 is King! |
Rosemarie44 2052 votes Joined: March 2016 |
    Tuesday 3:16 AM
I have to go with the double run today. The Flush was a strong consideration. Decided against tossing 4-5 as we are holding two 6's. Rosemarie44 says: Two fine puzzles, James. Guest says: Tomorrow will make three ! Guest says: I can hardly wait! Rosemarie44 |
dec 6358 votes Joined: April 2008 |
    Tuesday 3:27 AM
And it still is two more in the crib. Peggers. dec |
Jazzselke 2586 votes Joined: March 2009 |
    Tuesday 5:22 AM
Possible 24 instead of 20 the other 2 ways. |
james500 3923 votes Joined: June 2013 |
    Tuesday 5:32 AM
Perhaps I'm guilty of "looking a gift horse in the mouth", but sometimes a flush of very similar value to a double run will work out to be a good option, (11 points vs 12 points in this example); Being able to put a 5 in our crib with no loss of hand points, (today with the synergistic 4), is tempting, although 6-6-9-9 is a very "boom or bust" type of hand, and much more bust than boom. |
Gougie00 5730 votes Joined: March 2008 |
    Tuesday 5:40 AM
Never break up a double run. I am sure I heard that somewhere. |
horus93 1281 votes Joined: December 2017 |
    Tuesday 6:46 AM
One of my rules of thumb is to virtually never break up 4-5-6-6, 4-5-5-6, or 4-4-5-6. This rule may well be a sort of hopenosis - the averages are being pulled up hard by the few cuts that can make this one of the best hands in the game. But when you're this far behind it makes sense to go for it anyway.
This is a bad position but with this nice hand we might just claw our way back. I would play total offense. If we can peg around 4 points we'll be in a decent position, as long as pone doesn't have a crazy good hand himself. |
cribbagepogo 3251 votes Joined: October 2007 |
    Tuesday 7:30 AM
Never break up chance for 24 except for 28/29. |
dgergens 938 votes Joined: January 2018 |
    Tuesday 8:30 AM
Given how far back we are, I really didnt't want to give any points away. I would have kept the 6-6-9-9 but felt giving the 4-5 was more dangerous than 9-9. Once that decision was made, 4-5-6-6 had more upside potential, so that's how I arrived at my choice. dgergens says: Of course, it would have better had I realized it was my crib. Play cards on the computer messes me up. Inushtuk1 says: Hi dgergens. We’re dealing. Guest says: Yup, I figured that out right after I submitted my comment. Interesting, per Liam Brown site, 9-9 discard is the best choice dealer or pone. Inushtuk1 says: Yes, even as Pone we must keep the best hand in cribbage. Especially with the high percentage 6-6-4 “Sweet Sixteenâ€. Except in end-game scenarios. |
Inushtuk1 1487 votes Joined: July 2016 |
    Tuesday 8:46 AM
Oops. Looks like I clicked on the wrong cards. LOL. I meant to keep the double run. It must be all that negative delta out there. All three options are loaded with it. And can anyone come up with a hand where we *wouldn’t* keep the best hand in cribbage; other than an end-game scenario? Because I don’t believe this is it.
Well I would have been perfectly content to play defense had I cut the 24 hand. But seeing as I have only 15 known points, I’ll definitely be playing offense now, and taking both the (15-2), and (31-2) if Pone shows me two X-cards. Plus dropping my 6d on an 8 lead. Hoping to outpeg the Pone 10-3. This could easily happen; as at this score Pone is probably looking for the chance to skunk me. |
Ras2829 5154 votes Joined: November 2008 |
    Tuesday 9:58 AM
BTW do frequently break double runs. What would you expect from a guy who wrote a paper about 20 years ago titled "Double Run Hypnosis"? You can see that on www.cribbage.org under playing tips by RAS. Here based on my scant empirical evidence the double run has such potential that the combined value is about 1.5 points greater than holding the flush. The choice of 6-9 and 9-9 to crib are close to the same with less than .1 of a point separating them. Very little difference in the pegging potential of 4-5-6-6 or suited 4-5-6-9. The pegging difference between the two can be measured in hundredths whether playing offense or defense. Best thing I can do on this hand, dealing one hole short of 3rd street CPZ (69-73) with opponent 15 holes down the board is to slow the progress of opponent. Am not quite willing to choose a defense pegging strategy - so will be optimal for me. Will not take a 3-card run if it looks like opponent could score 4. Will avoid pairs if it looks like opponent could get the triple for six. Would play 6d on a X-point lead. Would pair a six lead or score 15-2 on the 9 if led. On other leads would wiggle to stay away. Inushtuk1 says: Thank you Ras. “On other leads would wiggle to stay away.†Does that also mean foregoing the chance for a 10-3 pegging edge with the 6 suited reply to an 8 lead? I wouldn’t want to let that slip by myself. Inushtuk1 says: Hi again Ras. I chose offense in the pegging after the cut. But even on optimal I would pair a 4 lead. Otherwise we’re playing into a (15-5) with any other response. Even with two 6’s in my hand I would have to pair that 4 lead. But I’d play my 4 on the 5 lead though on optimal or offense. And finally I see the 5 on any X-card lead as the optimal as well as offensive response. Ras2829 says: Hi Inushtuk1: Actually with this hand responding with a 6 to an 8 lead is exactly the thing to do. Sometimes opponent will pair the 6 rather than take the run of 3 figuring that you are going to score run of four. Agree on pairing the four spot if led. Still would play the six on a X-lead as that would leave me with the 4-6 intact which has real good chance to catch a five later. Most often non-dealer when leading a X-pointer has a 5 in the mix. Inushtuk1 says: Ah ha! But by playing the 5 for (15-2), if Pone pairs it, we could get (30-4) provided Non-dealer has only one 5. And we did score the (15-2) earlier. It’s a close call I think. Inushtuk1 says: I just noticed the cribbot is in your corner regarding optimal pegging strategy. |
Andy (muesli64) 2223 votes Joined: August 2009 |
    Tuesday 11:14 AM
Wish I had these problems occasionally! Book throw 9-9. |
Coeurdelion 5595 votes Joined: October 2007 |
    Tuesday 1:23 PM
Do we keep 11pts with the flush or 12pts with the double-run? 6-6-9-9 (4-5) has a better starting value but poor potential:
4-5-6D-9D: 11pts + 5¼pts (Schell: 5.13) = 16¼pts 4-5-6-6: 12pts + 5¼pts (Schell: 5.13) = 17¼pts 6-6-9-9: 12pts + 6½pts (Schell: 6.48) = 18½pts Potential: 4-5-6D-9: Improves with AAAA, 2222, 3333, 444, 555, 66, 7777, 99 + 16xXs = 42 cuts = 42/46 = 91.3% up to 15/18/20pts with 444, 555, 66, 99 + 16xXs = 26 cuts. Plus 9 diamonds for 1pt extra for the flush = 9/46 = 0.20pt. 4-5-6-6: Improves with 3333, 444, 555, 66, 7777, 99 + 16xXs = 34 cuts = 34/46 = 73.9% up to 16/21/24pts with 3333, 444, 555, 66, 99 = 14 cuts 6-6-9-9: Improves with 3333, 66, 99 = 8 cuts = 8/46 = 17.4% up to 20pts with 66, 99 = 4 cuts. Pegging: I think the flush should peg the best although 4-5-6-6 will peg best as well. Position: We're not quite in 3rd street CPZ and Pone needs 13pts to reach 4th street positional hole. So I'll peg Offense. Summary: 4-5-6D-9D has a starting value 1pt lower than 4-5-6-6 and 2¼pts lower than 6-6-9-9 but the flush has most cuts for improvement and also the extra 0.20pt for flush improvement. Also it should peg better. So I'll throw the 6S-9S. Coeurdelion says: Major misjudgement today! 8-( |
HalscribCLX 5318 votes Joined: February 2008 |
    Tuesday 2:02 PM
At 68*-83 playing a Defense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:
_________________Pone's Defense___Hand___Pegs___Crib_Total____W3 %____W4 % 4-5-6-6___15.35+(-1.76)+4.63=18.22____29.0____42.0 6-6-9-9___12.87+(-1.98)+6.16=17.05____19.1____39.1 4-5-6D-9D_13.89+(-2.02)+4.63=16.50____20.6____36.9 Defense_______L3 %____L4 % 4-5-6-6_______39.7____44.5 6-6-9-9_______35.4____49.2 4-5-6D-9D_____40.4____51.8 4-5-6-6 is best for expected averages by 1.17pts and is very much best for Win %s and Loss %s. So I'll select 9-9 to discard, After the 2 cut I'll play Optimally (cautious offense) to the lead. |