November 20, 2020

*** This hand was suggested by kelliher
59*-63  ?
71%
17%
6%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
Total votes: 224
kelliherI had this hand back to back. First as dealer then as pone. Different suits. Didn't know what to do either way.
Rosemarie44
1733 votes

Joined: March 2016

   
Friday 3:09 AM
IMO this is the best hold by tossing 2-3 tossing 2-3 to our crib as dealer. Every cut increases the hand except a cut of a 3 but that increases our crib.
As pone IMO holding 2-5-6-8 and tossing 3-9 to opponent is best. Every cut except a 3 increases this hand.
Open to suggestions from others on these two scenarios.
mrob2199
494 votes

Joined: February 2009

   
Friday 3:10 AM
Tough call again today-I like the 2 point hand keep to throw the powerful 2-3 in my own crib-I will peg very well if pone has pictures or a middle card hand-the 4 cut would have been nice but at least the picture hits us in both hand and crib(albeit not very strong)
dec
5069 votes

Joined: April 2008

   
Friday 3:13 AM
Those are my bullet points as well. A ten cut would look better. dec
james500
2679 votes

Joined: June 2013

   
Friday 3:52 AM
In answer to the two questions:
As Dealer, (as we are here), I'd choose 2-3.
Were I to be Pone with these, 2-8 and lead the 6.
kelliher
205 votes

Joined: March 2020

   
Friday 3:54 AM
Nice to know y'all agree with the 2-3 throw. Love reading all the different opinions on this site.
JQT
3018 votes

Joined: October 2008

   
Friday 5:12 AM
If we were Pone with these cards dealt to us, it's probably a much more challenging problem, and I believe that Toss (2 8) or Toss (3 9) would both be viable.

But as Dealer, it's clearly Toss (2 3).
HfxKen
200 votes

Joined: February 2020

   
Friday 5:48 AM
HfxKen
200 votes

Joined: February 2020

   
Friday 5:49 AM
I hate to keep rogue 5 but the 2-3 toss may help salvage this deal.
cwed
1177 votes

Joined: October 2014

   
Friday 6:08 AM
This is the hand that I mentioned in the October "Cribbage World" (page 8). My crib: toss 2-3; their crib: toss 2-9.
RubyTuesday
582 votes

Joined: January 2019

   
Friday 6:09 AM
Oh dear I went for 6 9 to my crib. I thought about 2 3 and then decided not to after not bothering to look at the discard tables.
Gougie00
4457 votes

Joined: March 2008

   
Friday 6:24 AM
When in doubt and Face-Five isnt an option, 2-3. Two separate sets of touchies that didnt connect this time but might have.

I would like to end up around hole 75, so offense it is. If the opponent has a 7, we could wind up pegging alot.
SallyAnn3
199 votes

Joined: March 2020

Friday 7:09 AM
Getting a 2-3 into my crib. Everything but a 3 hits the hand,and I tossed one already.
mfetchCT425
684 votes

Joined: February 2009

   
Friday 7:22 AM
Agree with the powerful 2-3 to our crib. Usually only good things happen when we make this toss to our crib.

If pone, I like 3-9, followed closely by 2-8.
Jazzselke
1637 votes

Joined: March 2009

   
Friday 7:32 AM
Second best throw in crib, the favorite for some. But you never know, a 5 can be cut and the opponent throws a 29 for 2 points!
HK343
149 votes

Joined: July 2012

   
Friday 7:51 AM
Whenever I'm dealt 23 as dealer, I need a really good reason not to put it in my crib. Not seeing anything with this hand to steer me away from that mantra. Also love the powerful 56 for pegging as dealer.
nieuwrode
27 votes

Joined: October 2020

   
Friday 7:52 AM
It seems like the weeks before everyone and every puzzle was CRAZY about the magic 11 counts for pegging. Now it's all about eeking out the extra Xth% for an extra 2 points in the count.

Why not stick the easy 2 points in the crib for later, 2 points in the hand, plus 4 more on a 10 cut, and keep a good pegging hand to boot? I'll never fully get this game...
Ras2829
3922 votes

Joined: November 2008

   
Friday 10:39 AM
When dealing got to have those eyes open for a 2-3 discard. Here at hole 59 it's off., from the outset. Why so strong on the 2-3? Only 5-5 has a higher average. That powerful 5-point combination scores 2 points a mere 5.522% and scores 8 or more points 51.314%; so 2-3 is nearly ten times as likely to score 8+ than to score 2 points. When dealing if holding a 2-3 for a mere two points or none as the case would be this day, dump them with confidence to your crib. Play on the lead although would avoid pairing. Of course, they are worth even more on the other side of the board. So struggle to avoid tossing them on the other side for sure. From a hand that looks like 2-3-10-J-J-Q or 2-3 J-J-Q-K, retain the 2-3-J-J and toss 10-Q or Q-K. If holding these cards in this position as non-dealer, the 2-8 is the lower scoring discard at 4.904 (1,271) 43/91 and 3-9 5.177 (689) 51/91. In this case as n/d the 2-8 average is .16 lower since we are holding a five which it takes for 15-2 and the adjacent card 9. Not the same with the 3-9. So if non-dealer would go with the lower scoring 2-8. I just play the numbers - have no preferences and play no hunches. Some folks tell me the game can't be much fun playing it that way. Really having a good time with crib - much fun. Try playing by the numbers. Start with one phase ( RAS usually suggests discard averages). Inch by inch it's a cinch! As your winning percentages improve, you'll have more and more fun. It's much easier to have fun when winning. Try it - you'll like it! It takes a real sport to have fun when losing.
cribbagepogo
3019 votes

Joined: October 2007

   
Friday 11:37 AM
For beginners, put simply any combo is 5 points thrown into the crib is a a guarantee that there will be at least 2 points in the crib.

Never underestimate MA Kelliher. She is a lion in sheep's clothing.
Coeurdelion
4384 votes

Joined: October 2007

   
Friday 12:42 PM
For me it seems that the 2-3 discard is favorite but I'll also look at 5-6 and 6-9:

5-6-8-9: 2pts + 6¾pts (Schell: 7.00) = 8¾pts

2-3-8-9: 0pts + 6½pts (Schell: 6.63) = 6½pts

2-3-5-8: 2pts + 5¼pts (SChell: 5.13) = 7¼pts

Potential:

5-6-8-9: Improves with AAAA, 222, 4444, 555, 666, 7777, 888, 999 + 16xXs = 43 cuts = 43/46 = 93.5% up to 6/7/9pts with 4444, 666, 7777, 999, 10101010 = 18 cuts.

2-3-8-9: Improves with AAAA, 222, 333, 4444, 555, 666, 7777, 888, 999 + 16xXs = 46 cuts = 46/46 = 100.0% up to 3/4/5/7pts with AAAA, 222, 333, 4444, 7777, 10101010 = 22 cuts.

2-3-5-8: Improves with AAAA, 222, 333, 4444, 555, 7777, 888 + 16xXs = 40 cuts = 40/46 = 87.0% up to 5/6/8pts with AAAA, 222, 4444, 555, 7777, 888 + 16xXs = 37 cuts.

Position:

Pone only needs 7pts to reach 3rd street positional hole while we need 37pts over two deals to be at 96pts for our next deal. This 11pts more than average so I think I'll play Offense.

Pegging:

Each hand has a magic eleven but 2--3-5-8 has three low cards and a middle card so I think will peg best.

Summary:

5-6-8-9 has the best starting value by 1½pts over 2-3-5-8. It also has a good number of cuts for improvement and 18 for 6-9pts. 2-3-5-8 has 37 cuts for 5-8pts and will also peg well but as it starts with 1¼pts fewer I'll throw the 2-3.
HalscribCLX
4139 votes

Joined: February 2008

   
Friday 1:23 PM
At 59*-63 playing an Offense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:

_______________Our
Offense___Hand_Pegs_Crib_Total____W4 %____W5 %
5-6-8-9____5.26+4.02+6.94=16.22____10.0____21.2
2-3-5-8____5.70+3.72+4.93=14.35_____7.8____18.1
2-3-6-9____4.96+3.22+5.46=13.64_____6.5____17.2
2-3-8-9____3.48+3.37+6.68=13.53_____6.4____16.8

Offense_______L4 %____L5 %
5-6-8-9________25.0____57.2
2-3-5-8________25.9____59.8
2-3-6-9________25.4____60.1
2-3-8-9________25.2____60.1

5-6-8-9 is best for expected averages by 1.87pts and is significantly best for Win %s and lowest for Loss %s. So I'll select 2-3 to discard.

After the Q cut I'll play Offense to the lead.