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Total votes: 224 |
kelliher | I had this hand back to back. First as dealer then as pone. Different suits. Didn't know what to do either way. |
Rosemarie44 2052 votes Joined: March 2016 |
    Friday 3:09 AM
IMO this is the best hold by tossing 2-3 tossing 2-3 to our crib as dealer. Every cut increases the hand except a cut of a 3 but that increases our crib.
As pone IMO holding 2-5-6-8 and tossing 3-9 to opponent is best. Every cut except a 3 increases this hand. Open to suggestions from others on these two scenarios. Rosemarie44 says: repetition with "tossing 2-3". Rosemarie44 says: Kelliher says "didn't know what to do either way" pone and as dealer.I gave my take as pone, too kelliher says: Thank you Rosemarie. I probably should have used the throw to the pone- a more difficult choice. |
mrob2199 1435 votes Joined: February 2009 |
    Friday 3:10 AM
Tough call again today-I like the 2 point hand keep to throw the powerful 2-3 in my own crib-I will peg very well if pone has pictures or a middle card hand-the 4 cut would have been nice but at least the picture hits us in both hand and crib(albeit not very strong) |
dec 6358 votes Joined: April 2008 |
    Friday 3:13 AM
Those are my bullet points as well. A ten cut would look better. dec dec says: Funny thing about a discard choice to their crib I would do 3-9 although anything with a combo of A 2 3 would be a positive negative even with a 2-8 choice instead. dec |
james500 3923 votes Joined: June 2013 |
    Friday 3:52 AM
In answer to the two questions:
As Dealer, (as we are here), I'd choose 2-3. Were I to be Pone with these, 2-8 and lead the 6. |
kelliher 304 votes Joined: March 2020 |
    Friday 3:54 AM
Nice to know y'all agree with the 2-3 throw. Love reading all the different opinions on this site. SallyAnn3 says: Goor morning MA :) I have several live mentors--thankfully--but this site has helped me tremendously. Getting into the head of several top players and how they think through hands, has made me change a ot of my thought processeses.We don't have discard tables at the real tables. I am still lousy with position, though lol. Nice to see you commenting with the 'big boys'! |
JQT 4143 votes Joined: October 2008 |
    Friday 5:12 AM
If we were Pone with these cards dealt to us, it's probably a much more challenging problem, and I believe that Toss (2 8) or Toss (3 9) would both be viable.
But as Dealer, it's clearly Toss (2 3). |
HfxKen 886 votes Joined: February 2020 |
    Friday 5:48 AM
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HfxKen 886 votes Joined: February 2020 |
    Friday 5:49 AM
I hate to keep rogue 5 but the 2-3 toss may help salvage this deal. |
cwed 1355 votes Joined: October 2014 |
    Friday 6:08 AM
This is the hand that I mentioned in the October "Cribbage World" (page 8). My crib: toss 2-3; their crib: toss 2-9. |
RubyTuesday 914 votes Joined: January 2019 |
    Friday 6:09 AM
Oh dear I went for 6 9 to my crib. I thought about 2 3 and then decided not to after not bothering to look at the discard tables. |
Gougie00 5730 votes Joined: March 2008 |
    Friday 6:24 AM
When in doubt and Face-Five isnt an option, 2-3. Two separate sets of touchies that didnt connect this time but might have.
I would like to end up around hole 75, so offense it is. If the opponent has a 7, we could wind up pegging alot. |
SallyAnn3 908 votes Joined: March 2020 |
Friday 7:09 AM
Getting a 2-3 into my crib. Everything but a 3 hits the hand,and I tossed one already. SallyAnn3 says: If pone, I'd toss 2-9. |
mfetchCT425 1399 votes Joined: February 2009 |
    Friday 7:22 AM
Agree with the powerful 2-3 to our crib. Usually only good things happen when we make this toss to our crib.
If pone, I like 3-9, followed closely by 2-8. |
Jazzselke 2586 votes Joined: March 2009 |
    Friday 7:32 AM
Second best throw in crib, the favorite for some. But you never know, a 5 can be cut and the opponent throws a 29 for 2 points! Jazzselke says: But still averages 7 points or so.... |
HK343 178 votes Joined: July 2012 |
    Friday 7:51 AM
Whenever I'm dealt 23 as dealer, I need a really good reason not to put it in my crib. Not seeing anything with this hand to steer me away from that mantra. Also love the powerful 56 for pegging as dealer. |
nieuwrode 162 votes Joined: October 2020 |
    Friday 7:52 AM
It seems like the weeks before everyone and every puzzle was CRAZY about the magic 11 counts for pegging. Now it's all about eeking out the extra Xth% for an extra 2 points in the count.
Why not stick the easy 2 points in the crib for later, 2 points in the hand, plus 4 more on a 10 cut, and keep a good pegging hand to boot? I'll never fully get this game... Eolus619 says: morning....the answers to your questions ..suggest you read rosemarie & rob’s comments and also ..look at the discard tables for values ...with those three reference points decide if you would change your choice or stay with it ..all the best Eolus619 says: oh...and...suggest you go back over your understanding of board position as it relates to players scores within critical position zones ..and now those scores relate to discard decisions ..for either player...as well as deciding if you will approach pegging offensively or defensively ...this exercise will either confirm you are comfortable with your understanding of board position or if not reveal another way to improve your game ... JQT says: Toss (6 9) begins by stowing Two Points away in the Crib, but it only averages about Five Points and is a rather weak discard, while Toss (2 3), which actually begins with no points, tends to average closer to Seven Points in the Crib! Thus, by starting out with what looks like less, we can in fact predictably end up with more! Discarding as the Dealer in Cribbage is all about achieving this kind of 'synergy' between our Hand and Crib, and about the GROWTH that we can realize in the resultant Crib, and not just the 'static' cumulative count of Hand plus Crib before both the Cut and adding in Pone's Discard into the equation. JQT says: Please refer to the article on Cribbage Forum by RAS called "Star power" at the bottom of the page. REF: http://www.cribbageforum.com/YourCrib.htm |
Ras2829 5154 votes Joined: November 2008 |
    Friday 10:39 AM
When dealing got to have those eyes open for a 2-3 discard. Here at hole 59 it's off., from the outset. Why so strong on the 2-3? Only 5-5 has a higher average. That powerful 5-point combination scores 2 points a mere 5.522% and scores 8 or more points 51.314%; so 2-3 is nearly ten times as likely to score 8+ than to score 2 points. When dealing if holding a 2-3 for a mere two points or none as the case would be this day, dump them with confidence to your crib. Play on the lead although would avoid pairing. Of course, they are worth even more on the other side of the board. So struggle to avoid tossing them on the other side for sure. From a hand that looks like 2-3-10-J-J-Q or 2-3 J-J-Q-K, retain the 2-3-J-J and toss 10-Q or Q-K. If holding these cards in this position as non-dealer, the 2-8 is the lower scoring discard at 4.904 (1,271) 43/91 and 3-9 5.177 (689) 51/91. In this case as n/d the 2-8 average is .16 lower since we are holding a five which it takes for 15-2 and the adjacent card 9. Not the same with the 3-9. So if non-dealer would go with the lower scoring 2-8. I just play the numbers - have no preferences and play no hunches. Some folks tell me the game can't be much fun playing it that way. Really having a good time with crib - much fun. Try playing by the numbers. Start with one phase ( RAS usually suggests discard averages). Inch by inch it's a cinch! As your winning percentages improve, you'll have more and more fun. It's much easier to have fun when winning. Try it - you'll like it! It takes a real sport to have fun when losing. |
cribbagepogo 3251 votes Joined: October 2007 |
    Friday 11:37 AM
For beginners, put simply any combo is 5 points thrown into the crib is a a guarantee that there will be at least 2 points in the crib.
Never underestimate MA Kelliher. She is a lion in sheep's clothing. Ras2829 says: Hi Cribbagepogo: And you should know one for sure! Joy to the World! kelliher says: Thank you for the encouragement cribbagepogo. I feel like a beginner reading all the comments on Daily Cribbage Hand! |
Coeurdelion 5595 votes Joined: October 2007 |
    Friday 12:42 PM
For me it seems that the 2-3 discard is favorite but I'll also look at 5-6 and 6-9:
5-6-8-9: 2pts + 6¾pts (Schell: 7.00) = 8¾pts 2-3-8-9: 0pts + 6½pts (Schell: 6.63) = 6½pts 2-3-5-8: 2pts + 5¼pts (SChell: 5.13) = 7¼pts Potential: 5-6-8-9: Improves with AAAA, 222, 4444, 555, 666, 7777, 888, 999 + 16xXs = 43 cuts = 43/46 = 93.5% up to 6/7/9pts with 4444, 666, 7777, 999, 10101010 = 18 cuts. 2-3-8-9: Improves with AAAA, 222, 333, 4444, 555, 666, 7777, 888, 999 + 16xXs = 46 cuts = 46/46 = 100.0% up to 3/4/5/7pts with AAAA, 222, 333, 4444, 7777, 10101010 = 22 cuts. 2-3-5-8: Improves with AAAA, 222, 333, 4444, 555, 7777, 888 + 16xXs = 40 cuts = 40/46 = 87.0% up to 5/6/8pts with AAAA, 222, 4444, 555, 7777, 888 + 16xXs = 37 cuts. Position: Pone only needs 7pts to reach 3rd street positional hole while we need 37pts over two deals to be at 96pts for our next deal. This 11pts more than average so I think I'll play Offense. Pegging: Each hand has a magic eleven but 2--3-5-8 has three low cards and a middle card so I think will peg best. Summary: 5-6-8-9 has the best starting value by 1½pts over 2-3-5-8. It also has a good number of cuts for improvement and 18 for 6-9pts. 2-3-5-8 has 37 cuts for 5-8pts and will also peg well but as it starts with 1¼pts fewer I'll throw the 2-3. Coeurdelion says: Should be 1½pts fewer in last sentence. |
HalscribCLX 5318 votes Joined: February 2008 |
    Friday 1:23 PM
At 59*-63 playing an Offense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:
_______________Our Offense___Hand_Pegs_Crib_Total____W4 %____W5 % 5-6-8-9____5.26+4.02+6.94=16.22____10.0____21.2 2-3-5-8____5.70+3.72+4.93=14.35_____7.8____18.1 2-3-6-9____4.96+3.22+5.46=13.64_____6.5____17.2 2-3-8-9____3.48+3.37+6.68=13.53_____6.4____16.8 Offense_______L4 %____L5 % 5-6-8-9________25.0____57.2 2-3-5-8________25.9____59.8 2-3-6-9________25.4____60.1 2-3-8-9________25.2____60.1 5-6-8-9 is best for expected averages by 1.87pts and is significantly best for Win %s and lowest for Loss %s. So I'll select 2-3 to discard. After the Q cut I'll play Offense to the lead. |