April 16, 2021

*** This hand was suggested by Ras2829
111*-106  ?
52%
23%
18%
1%
1%
0%
0%
0%
Total votes: 230
Rosemarie44
2052 votes

Joined: March 2016

 
 
 
Friday 3:13 AM
Prefer 5-J rather than a pair of 2's to my crib. Four cuts of a 6 gives hand 12 points rather than 10 points by holding 5-7-7-J.
mrob2199
1429 votes

Joined: February 2009

 
 
 
Friday 3:21 AM
Excelllent puzzle today Ras-lots of food for thought-our first priority here is to keep a hand that is the least vulnerable to give up multiple pegging points to the pone-especially when they need 15 points-the 225J provides us with the greatest spread and flexibility without completely breaking up all our scoring potential-we are stilll 10 out,so if pone doesn’t go out we don’t want to be forced to play another hand by keeping a spread out 2-5-7-J-
james500
3917 votes

Joined: June 2013

 
 
 
Friday 3:34 AM
"Strength in numbers". Fewer twos and sevens in circulation since I have a pair of each, which means that Pone is less able to match them during the pegging. 7-2-2 eleven also.
MiketheExpert
1116 votes

Joined: April 2021

 
 
 
Friday 4:49 AM
I think 5 J discard is quite clear on this hand. Pone is 15 out, and you are only 10 away. This gives you flexiblility to play for pegging if you need to score a few, as well as lay off if not required.
zeke76 says: See I saw being within 10 meant we had flexibility on our own scoring. We will likely get the 10 even without J5 in the crib.
MiketheExpert says: This is true zeke, our win % is very high in either case. I think the 2 2 7 7 is a little better in limiting the score for your opponent on pegging, which is really the key on this deal. If he happens to lead a 2 or 7 by surprise, then definitely go ahead and pair it..but this holding is less likely to get trapped with a run due to the separation.
zeke76
1390 votes

Joined: August 2018

 
 
 
Friday 4:49 AM
Rob said this way better than I could. Trying for that balance between points and defensive pegging.
MiketheExpert
1116 votes

Joined: April 2021

 
 
 
Friday 4:54 AM
MiketheExpert says: I would be tempted to play defensively on almost any cut. Your expected score is well above 10 without having to peg any points (you also have the automatic 1).
scottcrib
1630 votes

Joined: August 2019

 
 
 
Friday 5:16 AM
My thoughts echo James today.
Gougie00
5724 votes

Joined: March 2008

 
 
 
Friday 5:46 AM
Being in doubt, face-five.
mfetchCT425
1395 votes

Joined: February 2009

 
 
 
Friday 6:13 AM
I liked this hold today for reasons James explains so nicely above. Feel we have enough spacing here to avoid trouble in the pegging, and we have combinations of a 3-card magic 11. With 5-J in the crib, confident we will have enough to go out if we can hold pone. Intriguing logic by Rob above as well- always interesting and helpful perspective provided by him.
SallyAnn3 says: Hi...did your GS certificate come through email?
mfetchCT425 says: Hi Sally, I didn’t see it, but no worries. All the best.
SallyAnn3 says: hmm will resend
SallyAnn3 says: Ok...my email says it went out Wednesday. I used the email you had listed for the NCD event. If that is not correct, please email me at accjudgetest@gmail.com. Thanks!
Eolus619
1336 votes

Joined: June 2020

 
 
 
Friday 6:22 AM
In support of Rob’s thinking.i have now lost track of how many internet games I have lost with me dealing from similar advantage and Pone ending up going out from around 105 on first count. I must say though tossing either pair just was not in my mind. Tossing the powerful 5-J and keeping four was my limited thinking this AM. As Ras has said before , dealer has an 80% chance to earn at 12 total points.
Eolus619 says: As cwed and Sally have often said , “among the most important cards in cribbage is the cut card.” The K gets me to eight ..hand + crib plus one guaranteed pegging point. ( Pone’s crib contribution is not yet known ) Now , for me , a very hard thing to do all to frequently. I need one more pegging point to win. Can I earn one pegging point?
fentesk says: I'm part of the 2-2-5-J crowd, which is also sitting at 9 known points. Seeing pone's first two cards will give me an idea of how big their hand is, but I think I'd peg extremely defensively. I'd rather have to go to the next hand in a pegging race with me having first count than go for a point now and risk giving them an opening to steal the game this hand.
Eolus619 says: the beauty of choices in cribbage! Ras posted this puzzle for a lesson..will see what he says later
Eolus619 says: btw .. a lot of today’s discussion focuses on pegging ...just a reminder to us all ...the 7-7 is not a “trash” discard either according to Ras’s ranking http://www.cribbage.org/NewSite/tips/rasmussen6.asp
SallyAnn3
904 votes

Joined: March 2020

 
 
 
Friday 6:32 AM
Prefer to have my cards wider, and always good to have a face five in the crib. Odd hand!
JRCeagle78
1054 votes

Joined: June 2016

 
 
 
Friday 9:27 AM
I was leaning to a more defensive play and the starter card reaffirmed my decision. If I can keep the pone's pegging to a minimum I could win with this hand. I held the 7-7 expecting little help from the pone on that discard.

Knowing that I have at least 4 points in the crib will help me play this hand with less anxiety and more conservatively.
joekayak
1873 votes

Joined: May 2016

 
 
 
Friday 9:35 AM
Defense. Keep the best anti-pegging hand. If pone has middle cards, I don't want to keep my sevens around.
dgergens
938 votes

Joined: January 2018

 
 
 
Friday 10:00 AM
77 & J5 are both potentially good crib discards. So the question is which is better. Clearly holding pone back from pegging is most important. I think I can play defensive pegging pretty well with 2277, so I'm looking forward to Ras' wisdom on which discard he thinks is better.
dgergens says: and . . . he answered my question. There is enough air in-between them.
cribbagepogo
3250 votes

Joined: October 2007

 
 
 
Friday 12:34 PM
As good as he is, Rob outnumbered today. Needing 10 do or die for pone.
dec
6352 votes

Joined: April 2008

 
 
 
Friday 12:54 PM
I am going with the general consensus today. 7-7 is very good in crib but me thinks J-5 a tad better to perhaps picking up that six crib. The pegging was to utilize the eleven count. Now after the cut lets see what they lead and see if at best they have something like eight or nine points and play off the best we can . Hands I would worry about 6-6-7-8 or 2-3-4-4 . dec
Coeurdelion
5589 votes

Joined: October 2007

 
 
 
Friday 3:39 PM
I think 2-2-7-7 may well be the best to minimize Pone's pegging as the 2 and 7 is unlikely to be paired as we have two of each and a 3-card magic eleven. So I'll throw 5-J which hopefully should ensure we go out provided Pone does not.
HalscribCLX
5312 votes

Joined: February 2008

 
 
 
Friday 3:42 PM
At 111*-106 playing an Optimal strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:

_______________Net
Defense___Hand_Pegs_Crib_Total____Win %____Loss %
2-2-5-J____6.50+1.15+5.82=13.47____85.8_____14.2
5-7-7-J____6.83+1.09+5.53=13.44____85.4_____14.6
2-2-7-7____5.74+0.65+6.94=13.33____88.3_____11.7

2-2-5-J is best for expected averages but in this end game position Win %s are the most important and 2-2-7-7 is appreciable best for Win %s so I'll select 5-J to discard.

After the K cut I'll play Defense to the lead.
Ras2829
5146 votes

Joined: November 2008

 
 
 
Friday 8:22 PM
Am thinking defense from the outset. Placement of the pegs, end-game scenario, and starter card all echo that same message. Minimizing non-dealer pegs is the best thing that can come out of this hand. Chances that n/d can win by scoring 15 is 1 of 8. Will play off the lead although would pair a deuce or 7 if led. Holding cards of two ranks only with some space between them, that 2-2-7 "eleven from heaven", a "sweet-16 (2-7-7) which allows dealer to close count at 31-2 on any cards that total 15. And the 5-J has the the highest average of any possible discard from these six. Winning percentage is close to 90%; so be it!
Ras2829 says: These two pairs have enough air between them that dealer can play a 7 on small card lead and a deuce on mid-card lead. Of course the 7 is a must play on any X-pointer.
Ras2829 says: If playing a deuce or 7 on lead, make it the spade so as to reserve the option of "faking a flush".