April 21, 2017

*** This hand was suggested by Inushtuk1
45*-50  ?
62%
17%
11%
5%
0%
0%
0%
0%
Total votes: 173
BigFoot Bob
624 votes

Joined: April 2016
 
 
 
Friday 3:20 AM
I wanted to keep the small run and hate throwing the 10-K to my Craig's so opted for the 7-K to the table.
BigFoot Bob says: Crib not Craig's. . . . Gunna play best of three later this morning with my father. He stomped me last week 3 out of 3 games. Funny how this game goes as I won 3 for 3 Tuesday playing the Bee Mann.
The_Bee_Mann says: Always fun BigFoot Bob win or lose.
Rosemarie44
2052 votes

Joined: March 2016
 
 
 
Friday 4:20 AM
Out of the three tosses: 7-K, 10-K, and 7-10, the combined value (expected average hand plus crib) was the highest by a slight amount by tossing 7-10 to my crib.
dec
6347 votes

Joined: April 2008
 
 
 
Friday 4:58 AM
I loath K-10 to my crib but not too keen on 10-7 that one has minimal crib results often so let seven help build up some possible fifteens in the main hand. If anything this could be a decent pegging hand and we do need to pick up the pace here. dec
Rosemarie44 says: I looked at that hand, too. It has the potential for a maximum of 14 points and a good pegger as you say. I wonder if that would make up for the shortfall in the crib?
Samgash
400 votes

Joined: November 2016
 
 
 
Friday 5:19 AM
I sacrificed a point to put 3-4 in the crib. Perhaps not ideal.
james500 says: Hi. For what it's worth, I was close to choosing 3-4 myself. A very under-rated discard that scores instantly when meeting any of A,2,3,4,5 or 8 (20/46).
Inushtuk1 says: Hi guys. Eating breakfast, and scrambling to find my notes on this puzzle. But you may have stumbled onto one of the reasons for It's submission.
cribbagepogo says: Seldom get anything with 3/4. It would take a generous pone giving a 5 or cutting one to help in one direction.
Inushtuk1 says: Very true cp, and ultimately why 3/4 is at only 5%.
Ras2829 says: HI Samgash: Certainly would never go backward in hand score or potential to discard 3-4 or 6-7 to own crib as they are dead on the five end. It's a major part of the reason they are consecutive on the list of 91 discards. The 6-7 5.140 26/91 and the 3-4 follows with average of 5.129 (27/91). Do you know the sacrifice limits and to which discards they apply? There are only 9 discard choices worth a sacrifice of points in hand score to toss to own crib? What might they be? Got to tell you they don't look anything like the 3-4. If you'd like to learn more about that, simplify your decision making when dealing/discarding, Email raswino29@outlook.com.
glmccuskey
4091 votes

Joined: April 2011
 
 
 
Friday 5:24 AM
Need to keep the 3-4-5 together. I like the 7-10 rather than 10-K. I'll peg aggressively.
james500
3913 votes

Joined: June 2013
 
 
 
Friday 5:38 AM
I can't get excited about X-7 or T-K, but can't quite justify reducing my hand for 3-4. It was tempting though.
Gougie00
5720 votes

Joined: March 2008
 
 
 
Friday 6:09 AM
Want to keep the 345 together. What combination might create some sparks in the crib? I am guessing 7-10. I'd like to be at hole 60 at the end of this deal, and the cut might get me there. Would it be too much to ask that my opponent not get to 60? I can only control me, and I'll play offensive.
spin121
299 votes

Joined: March 2016
 
 
 
Friday 7:46 AM
Pone loves to toss me Ks so I'll toss one too. Offense.
Ras2829
5143 votes

Joined: November 2008
 
 
 
Friday 9:50 AM
Like this puzzle as it mirrors a frequent number of factors in dealer decision making commonly found. The nature of the game causes folks to look for something solid to toss to their crib. Unfortunately half the time, you just dump the garbage to your crib. In this case 3-4-5-7 has the edge on hand score by nearly half a point and picks up nearly half a point on pegging. Goodbye 10-K, the lowest scoring choice possible of the 91 to own crib. Holding 3-4-5-7 more than offsets the slightly higher crib average with 7-K or 7-10. BTW if insistent on discarding the 7-10 or 7-K, make it the latter. Neither are good discards although higher scoring than 10-K, the 7-K has a slightly higher average because of the frequent King discard to dealer crib. Why bother with either of those when potential hand score and potential pegs with retaining 3-4-5-7 negate any potential higher crib value? My choice as dealer at hole 45 (2nd street CPZ is 43-47) with opponent at 50 is offense. With the cut of the four spot, know that I have 12 points in hand, a guaranteed peg, likely a small crib, so 3 pegs would be real good. If I have two points in the crib, would be at hole 63. Remember we have 4-7 "eleven from heaven" plus run prospects at the lower end of the hand and could pick up a 6 spot for a run with our 5-7. Need to have those things clearly in mind so if we miss one opportunity, we have a good chance to pickup on the other. Don't believe that opponent will score 19 points to reach 3rd street CPZ (69-73). If opponent were 55-58 RAS would choose an optimal pegging strategy. If already at 59, would have chosen defense.
Inushtuk1 says: Hi Ras. My question is, with the 4 cut, are you taking the (15-2) on an X lead, or playing the 7 from the 4-7 Magic Eleven? I'm guessing you will take the (15-2). Both options could work out fine.
Inushtuk1 says: Hi again. I just went back and queried this hand. The prof would play off now with his 7 by the way.
Ras2829 says: HiInushtuk1: Have good results with playing for the 31-2 on a X-lead if holding some combination with 4-7-5, 3-8-5, or 2-9-5. Closing the count at 31-2 pus the lead back where I want it. The lead is often another X-spot and I score the 15-2 with the 5. Of course, if the lead were a five, would not pair.
Ras2829 says: BTW if I play the five spot to score 15-2, opponent often pairs the 5 so we are even with two pegs each. Playing to close the count with the magic 11 (in this case 4-7), I often score the 31-2 and take the 15-2 with 5 spot next round and am up 4 pegs-0 at that point. Am not overly concerned about the lone 5 as I have another card to play which prevents the triple and seldom leads to a run.
The_Bee_Mann
306 votes

Joined: November 2016
 
 
 
Friday 1:20 PM
I have no problem tossing a 10 and K to crib if its necessary. My second choice was to discard the 10 and 7. Keeping the 3-4-5-7 has the same value as the 3-4-5-10 or K but better for pegging. I am down 5 points. Need to do a little pegging and hope for a good cut which I got.
JRCeagle78
1054 votes

Joined: June 2016
 
 
 
Friday 1:24 PM
The only thing I liked about tossing the 10-K was that they were suited for a chance at that 1 in 20000 shot at a flushed crib.

3-4-5-7 gives me a better chance at getting to 61 hole. I only hope my opponent doesn't get to hole 65 or better.