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Total votes: 164 |
Rosemarie44 2052 votes Joined: March 2016 |
    Friday 3:10 AM
Offense in this position. Chose to toss 6-8 leaving a hand that has the highest exp. average (vs. toss 6-10, 3-6) and also the highest value to dealer's crib. Also this hand has the most cuts for improvement. Await further comments from you, Ras. Guest says: And I'm gonna wait for my coffee Guest says: For full-on offense, consider deciding, based on Average Hand, not Expected Average so much. Looked at this way, 6-8 toss beats 3-6 toss by a full point. Granted, I'm uncomfortable with the result of this logic, but it does make feel a bit better today, tossing the one-gap 6-8 across the board. Guest says: Hi Guest: when I say highest exp. average I do mean highest expected average hand. this hand has a minimum of 4 points and a maximum of 10 points, exp. avg. hand is 7.30 points. I think that this explains better. |
BigFoot Bob 624 votes Joined: April 2016 |
    Friday 3:29 AM
Keeping the four points vs the two. Sending the suited gapper feels a bit risky but I don't want to get left behind.
Nice seventeen card this week Bee Man. |
james500 3916 votes Joined: June 2013 |
    Friday 4:15 AM
I think we can all agree that the 6 is going, the debate will be whether it should be joined in the box by the 8,10 or 3.
10 lead. |
dec 6351 votes Joined: April 2008 |
    Friday 4:25 AM
Same amount ,less dangerous discard. Ten lead. dec |
Gougie00 5723 votes Joined: March 2008 |
    Friday 5:20 AM
Hedging. Without 8 sure points in my hand, I dont want to give the dealer any promise in the crib. Lead the 3 and mix it up. |
jmath714 1296 votes Joined: January 2012 |
    Friday 5:39 AM
For me this spot depends on my opponent. If I'm playing a top level player I'm much more likely to throw 6-8 and play aggressively.
If I'm playing someone who I feel like will make mistakes, I can afford to be a little more patient and not risk big swings in their crib. |
JRCeagle78 1054 votes Joined: June 2016 |
    Friday 6:17 AM
8-6 suited was out of the question. That led to the choice 10-6 or 3-6. 10-6 is the safer throw but since this is the start of the game as pone I have to get out as far as possible. I'll lead the 10 and possible get a 20 for2. |
glmccuskey 4094 votes Joined: April 2011 |
    Friday 6:23 AM
Only a six or a nine doesn't add value and the 6-10 is a nice defensive discard. I'll lead the three. |
Jazzselke 2583 votes Joined: March 2009 |
    Friday 6:57 AM
Still holding 4 and a possible 10 points. Would be more daring with a sure 8 points and a possible 16 or more. |
Inushtuk1 1480 votes Joined: July 2016 |
    Friday 8:39 AM
This puzzle is very similar to the third example from Ras's class, Week 3. I am referring to the Discarding Effectiveness - Pone Lesson #3 Supplement Discard Problems. The example was 5-6-Q-2-8-3. In that example he wrote, "You can only hold 4 points anyway. The 6-8 could result in a crib of 20-24. Not worth the risk!" He failed to mention that (3-6) also has a maximum of 24. I think it's too early to risk either discard to keep a mere 4 points in starting hand value. Yeah I'd give the (6-8) if I could keep 8 points. I'd also do it if I was running out of race track. But there's plenty of time. Maybe I'll deal myself 12 to start with next hand.
Is it possible Ras submitted this puzzle to show us he has changed his mind about the 2-3-5-6-8-X hand as Pone? I think holding these 4 for only 2 to start with will peg better. Lead the 3 from the Magic Five. The 7, and 8 are common responses to a 3 lead, so as to avoid playing an X-pointer. But with anyone of those three we are in business. Inushtuk1 says: I just noticed that with our 3 lead, and the 2-5 to back it up, if Dealer responds with a 6, we can dump our 5. If Dealer engages with a 4 for a run for 3, our 2 scores a 5-card run for us. Of course if Dealer is holding A-4-5-6, he will get a run for 6 next. But then our 8 gets us a GO. Welcome to cribbage. |
spin121 299 votes Joined: March 2016 |
    Friday 9:02 AM
Nothing worse than losing the game on the first deal of the game so not tossing 6 8 here. Offense. |
The_Bee_Mann 306 votes Joined: November 2016 |
    Friday 9:51 AM
Discard the 3-6. I am not comfortable discard 6-8. I have been burned too many times. |
Coeurdelion 5589 votes Joined: October 2007 |
    Friday 1:20 PM
As First Pone I'm inclined to risk the 6-8 and keep 2-3-5-10. It improves with all cuts except 6s and 9s and we know where one of those is and it also should peg well. The alternative is 2-5-8-10 and throw the safer 3-6:
2-3-5-10: 4pts - 5½pts (Schell: 5.86) = -1½pts 2-5-8-10: 4pts - 5pts (Schell: 4.87) = -1pt Potential: 2-3-5-10: Improves with AAAA, 222, 333, 4444, 555, 7777, 888 + 15xXs = 39 cuts = 39/46 = 84.8% up to 8/10pts with 222, 333, 4444, 555 + 15xXs = 28 cuts. 2-5-8-10: Improves with 222, 333, 555, 7777, 888, 9999 + 15xXs = 35 cuts = 35/46 = 76.1% up to 8/10 with 222, 555, 888, 101010 = 12 cuts. Pegging: 2-3-5-10 should peg better with 3 low cards and a high card. Position: As First Pone we'll be playing Offense and striving to reach par-hole of 18pts. Summary: 2-3-5-10 has a few more cuts for improvement but more importantly has 28 cuts for 8/10pts compared to 12 cuts with 2-5-8-10. Also it should peg better so I think its worth risking 6-8 which according to Schell is approx. 1pt higher for expected averages in opponent's box. |
HalscribCLX 5312 votes Joined: February 2008 |
    Friday 1:36 PM
At 0-0* playing an Offense strategy for the pegging t5he dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:
________________Our Offense____Hand_Pegs__Crib___Total___W9 %____W10 % 2-3-5-8____5.61+2.02+(-4.08)=3.55____22.1____21.6 2-3-5-10___7.26+1.70+(-5.48)=3.48____25.7____22.4 2-5-8-10___6.26+1.41+(-4.36)=3.31____22.2____21.8 Offense_______L9 %____L10 % 2-3-5-8_______38.1____52.5 2-3-5-10______40.9____52.6 2-5-8-10______37.3____52.0 2-3-5-8 is 0.07pt better for expected averages but this takes no account of the board position. Even though its the very start of the game as the difference in expected averages is so slight I'll choose on the basis of Win/Loss %s. 2-3-5-10 is appreciably better for Win %s and despite the fact that it is slightly worse for Loss %s I'll select 6-8 to discard. After the 10 cut I'll lead the 3 and play Offense: Lead________Our Pegging Pts. 3________________1.91 10_______________1.88 5________________1.68 2________________1.68 |
Ras2829 5145 votes Joined: November 2008 |
    Friday 2:43 PM
Well playing offense on hand one, will toss 6-8. Other places on board would likely go with the choice made by Inustuk1 above with 2-3-5-8. Since the 10 spot gives me ten points will lead the trey. If the cut had given me 7 or less points, would have led the 10. The U-tube video that Inushtuk1 refers to was done about 8 years ago. If playing defense today, I would discard 6-10 from 2-3-5-6-8-10. One's game should be evolving over the passage of time. Inushtuk1 says: Hey, you surprised me there Ras. You zigged when I thought you would zag. You spoke recently about how surprisingly good the (6-10), or (7-10) was. So I thought you would have evolved that way. But you went the *other* way. Ha Ha. Ras2829 says: Hi Inushtuk1: You could watch me "zag" in a lot of positions on the board with a 6-10 discard with a hand of four points or less. |