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Total votes: 163 |
dec 6359 votes Joined: April 2008 |
    Friday 3:06 AM
I find most times that fours in a crib do not always add up unless in this case they do a X-Ace. At any rate six or an eight cut gives me a dozen ,I am playing this way because of lack of position here. Two of clubs lead. dec Rosemarie44 says: Hi dec, you and a few other regular contributors were able to get on yesterday. I couldn't get on the site until this morning! Guest says: Since I am one of the originals on this site when I got up early I managed to get my vote in for yesterdays. dec Guest says: Was delayed by a Google switch |
Rosemarie44 2052 votes Joined: March 2016 |
    Friday 3:07 AM
Nice on myshadowaz.
Starting with 6 points, I am tossing 4-4 to dealer which is slightly lower in value (6.00 pts. vs. 6.19 pts) than 2-2. I am choosing optimal strategy at this point with a hand that adds up to "11". I cannot see that we will get 15 points with this hand. |
BigFoot Bob 624 votes Joined: April 2016 |
    Friday 3:53 AM
I am keeping the six points and the five. The fours go to the pones crib only because I have to discard something. They seem better to give up than completely distroy my hand with other discards. |
james500 3924 votes Joined: June 2013 |
    Friday 4:15 AM
Hope to cut a 3,7 or 9 (12/46 = 26%).
Could have hoped for the same with 2-2-2-4, and then also had the possible cut of 2H scoring 12, but I think 2-5 (with two other 2's out of circulation), will be sufficiently safer than 4-5. |
Gougie00 5731 votes Joined: March 2008 |
    Friday 5:47 AM
I'll keep the sure 6 points and lead the 2. |
glmccuskey 4102 votes Joined: April 2011 |
    Friday 6:20 AM
I like this hold and will lead the four of spades. We have cuts for 12 to 16 points. |
mfetchCT425 1400 votes Joined: February 2009 |
    Friday 6:40 AM
Like the potential to peg with the three 2's and 5 (4-card magic 11). I think the 4-4 to opp's crib is slightly safer than 2-5 and definitely safer than 4-5. I will lead the 2 of spades for possible flush fake with play of 5 next. mfetchCT425 says: Unless opp matches my 2 lead, then of course I'll pairs royal safely, but the odds of this happening are minimal. |
spin121 299 votes Joined: March 2016 |
    Friday 8:56 AM
What makes this interesting to me is our relative positions. Dealer is likely to keep making hitting his CPZ's so it's up to me to eventually start hitting mine. Offense. Leading a 4 and hope for a cut and a 31/2 with my magic 11. spin121 says: Thought I held 2 4 4 5 here. In which case leading a 4 makes more sense. |
Inushtuk1 1488 votes Joined: July 2016 |
    Friday 10:44 AM
The 2-2-2-5 has a better expected average, but not by all that much. Plus I think there is more negative delta with our (2-2) and us holding a third 2, than there is with the (4-4) and us holding a toucher 5. This keep has 6 cuts for12, and 4 for 14. Not so with 2-2-2-5. It's maximum is 12, and there are only 5 cuts for that hand value. We need the points. Also it seems to me there are more ways things can go wrong with a four card Magic Eleven" than a three card of the same. But maybe that's just me.
Lead the 4s. If all goes according to plan the count will be (26) at our turn, and we will have 4-5 left in our hand. Now if we are going to continue using the Magic Eleven, of course we must play the 5 for (31-2). But what about going off script with the 4 reply? This gambit, if it works could, could see us outscoring Dealer 3-1 if s/he is holding X-X-X-X. When to try this and when *not* to? Ah, there's the rub. |
HalscribCLX 5318 votes Joined: February 2008 |
    Friday 12:25 PM
At 55-62* playing an Offense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:
________________Our Offense____Hand_Pegs__Crib___Total___W4 %___W5 % 2-4-4-5____7.65+2.02+(-5.77)=3.90____6.5____23.8 2-2-2-5____8.35+1.50+(-5.97)=3.79____5.6____22.3 Offense_______L4 %___L5 % 2-4-4-5_______22.1___56.4 2-2-2-5_______24.2___58.6 2-4-4-5 is better for expected averages by 0.11pt and is also slightly better for Win %s and Loss %s. So I'll select 2D-2C to discard. After the K cut I'll lead 4S and play Offense: Lead_________Our Pegging Pts. 4_________________1.86 2_________________1.74 5_________________1.47 Inushtuk1 says: Why is it that HalscribCLX gives the 2-4-4-5 so much higher an offensive pegging average than 2-2-2-5? It must be because we have three different ranks of cards in our hands. Leading the 4 from this hand still leaves us with 3 different ranks to choose from for our next play. With the 2-2-2-5, and leading the 2, we have only 2 different ranks to work with. And leading the 5, (not necessarily a bad play) leaves us with the inflexible 2-2-2. The 2-4-4-5 also has a toucher and a gapper, which will peg better should dealer not cooperate by responding with an X-card on our 4 lead. |
JRCeagle78 1054 votes Joined: June 2016 |
    Friday 1:08 PM
Where, oh where, has the little 3 gone ? Oh where, oh where can it be?
I'll lead the 4s, play offense, and pray the 3 isn't in the dealer's crib. This hand should have roughly the same pegging as 2225. I'll play the 5 as soon as it is safe to do so. The dealer could very easily trap it if the pone holds it too long. |
Ras2829 5155 votes Joined: November 2008 |
    Friday 2:17 PM
RAS plays this hand often in this manner although don't like having to toss 2-2 to hold four points. Cuts of 3, 4, and 6 provide scores of 12-14. Only the Ace does not add value. Knowing that I have six points with that starter card King, will play offense and lead 4s. Will take any pegs offered. Good puzzle shadowaz. Glad the shut down was short-lived as am addicted to the site. Note the fine explanation above by Inushtuk1 in reply to HalscribCLX posting as to why 2-4-4-5 has better pegging value than 2-2-2-5. Inushtuk1 says: Hi Ras. Thanks for the comment above. With regards to, "Will take any pegs offered." Does that go so far as playing the 4 instead of the 5 at the count of (26), as I outlined in my post? Also don't wear yourself too thin playing cribbage at the fair all day every day except Tuesday. You've still got 9 or 10 cribbage lessons to give this fall young man. ; - ) Ras2829 says: Hi Inushtuk1: At a count of 26, I'm inclined to take the 31-2. So often when I don't my opponent responds with a nine or a small card that didn't show earlier and my five spot doesn't score two. |
Coeurdelion 5595 votes Joined: October 2007 |
    Friday 2:26 PM
I think its between discarding a 2-2 or 4-4:
2-4-4-5: 4pts - 6½pts (Schell: 6.38) = -2½pts 2-2-2-5: 6pts - 6½pts (Schell: 6.53) = -½pts Potential: 2-4-4-5: Improves with 2, 3333, 44, 555, 6666, 7777, 8888, 9999 + 16xXs = 42 cuts = 42/46 = 91.3% up to 12/14pts 3333, 44, 6666 = 12 cuts. 2-2-2-5: Improves with 2, 555, 6666, 8888, 9999 + 16xXs = 32 cuts = 69.6% up to 12pts with 2, 6666, 8888 = 9 cuts. Pegging: I think both hands will peg quite well. Position: We need to be at 70pts or better for our next deal. 2-4-4-5 has more cuts for improvement and more cuts for a good hand plus a better maximum. Also 2-2 will score less due to negative delta as we have another 2. So although it starts with 2pts less I think it will make this up. To keep the fake flush I'll throw 2D-2C. |