October 11, 2017
*** This hand was suggested by Ras2829
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Joined: March 2016
Wednesday 3:16 AM
Good one Ras! Decided on tossing 5-J today. Would we use optimal strategy? Holding a four card for an out card along with the close cards of 7-9-9.
Joined: April 2011
Wednesday 3:17 AM
Good decisions are often rewarded as RAS would say. 7-9-9 seem to go together and the 7-4 form a magic eleven. That leaves the 5-J for the crib.
Joined: April 2008
Wednesday 4:14 AM
20 cuts to improve not enough compared to the J-5 discard. Closer then you think here. Eleven count to use n the pegging. dec
Joined: March 2009
Wednesday 4:20 AM
Agree with all commenters so far.
We are in good dealing position and would like to prevent opponent from getting past Hole 43. If position not favorable would toss 45.
Joined: April 2016
Wednesday 5:19 AM
Can't deny a blind hog a acorn.
Joined: March 2008
Wednesday 5:23 AM
Ah-h. I am breaking new ground here. I am tossing 45 in my own crib, because they are touchies, but also because I like the 799J incase of an 8 or 10 cut. My stretch goal is hole 45 and I might get there.
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Joined: January 2015
Wednesday 6:02 AM
Prefer holding it this way to have more chances of cutting into a double run and I like 4-5 in the crib.
Joined: July 2016
Wednesday 8:12 AM
Two gut shots at a three card double run, plus (5-J) has some negative delta with us retaining the 4. But it was not easy to give up the Magic Eleven.
Joined: June 2013
Wednesday 12:55 PM
I'm in the Jack-Five club today.
Joined: October 2007
Wednesday 4:10 PM
Keeping 2+2pts means 9-9 or 5-J or we could keep 4pts with 5-9-9-J (4-7) and perhaps 7-9-9-J (4-5) is worth looking at:
4-5-7-J: 2pts + 5¼pts (Schell: 5.16) = 7¼pts
4-7-9-9: 2pts + 7pts (Schell: 7.00) = 9pts
5-9-9-J: 4pts + 4pts (Schell: 3.72) = 8pts
7-9-9-J: 2pts + 6½pts (Schell: 6.48) = 8½pts
4-5-7-J: Improves with AAAA, 3333, 444, 555, 6666, 777, 8888 + 15xXs = 40 cuts = 40/46 = 87.0% up to 6/7/8pts with 3333, 444, 555, 6666, JJJ = 17 cuts. Plus 11 clubs for an extra 1pt for his nob = 11/46 = 0.24pt.
4-7-9-9: Improves with 2222, 444, 6666, 777, 8888, 99 = 20 cuts = 20/46 = 43.5% up to 6/10pts with 2222, 444, 6666, 8888, 99 = 17 cuts
5-9-9-J: Improves with AAAA, 555, 6666, 99 + 15xXs = 28 cuts = 60.9% up to 8/12pts with AAAA, 555, 6666, 99 = 13 cuts. Plus 11 clubs for an extra 1pt for his nob = 11/46 = 0.24pt.
7-9-9-J: Improves with 555, 6666, 777, 8888, 99, 10101010, JJJ = 23 cuts = 23/46 = 50.0% up to 6/8/10pts with 6666, 8888, 99, 10101010 = 14 cuts. Plus 11 clubs for an extra 1pt for his nob = 11/46 = 0.24pt.
With a magic eleven and the 4-5 pegging cards I think 4-5-7-J will peg best.
It looks as if its third deal and we've lost a little ground but still have positional advantage so I'll play Defense to maintain it.
4-5-7-J has the most cuts for improvement and although it will peg well has a maximum of 6-8pts but with 17 cuts. It has the lowest starting value though. 4-7-9-9 has many fewer cuts for improvement but starts with 9pt and has 17 cuts for 6-10pts. Both 5-9-9-J and 7-9-9-J start with 8/8½pts and similar number of cuts for improvement. 5-9-9-J has 13 cuts for 8-12pts while 7-9-9-J has 14 cuts for 6-10pts. Playing Defense I think 7-9-9-J will peg well so I'm inclined to throw the 4-5.
Joined: February 2008
Wednesday 4:29 PM
At 26*-29 playing a Defense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:
Defense___Hand__Pegs___Crib_Total___W7 %____W8 %
Defense______L7 %____L8 %
7-9-9-J is best for expected averages by 0.03pt but is appreciably better for Win %s and Loss %s which take account of the board position. So I'll select 4-5 to discard.
After the 8 cut I'll play Defense to the lead.
Joined: November 2008
Wednesday 5:33 PM
With opponent needing 14 points to reach 2nd street CPZ 43-47, RAS has chosen def., def., optimal. The optimal choice results from knowing that I have a guaranteed peg, 11 points in hand, and a minimum of two points in crib. That would put me at hole 40. Given that will play off the lead. The hand does even slightly better than the figures shown by HalscribCLX above if choosing an optimal strategy. Will play off the lead. Often when looking at hands such as this holding for two cuts to provide a double run is preferable. Gougie00 points this out very well above. The 4-5 (using Hal's figures) is within .25 hundredths of the crib potential of the 5-J.