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Total votes: 174 |
JQT 4143 votes Joined: October 2008 |
    Tuesday 3:20 AM
We hold the Sweet Sixteen 2-6-8, and keep the powerful 5-6 together.
Lead the 6 Card. Guest says: Why is the 16 sweet? Inushtuk1 says: Hi Guest. 6(6)-X(16)-8(24)-5(29)-2(31-2)/X(10)-5(15-2). Or see my post for how it *might* go with the 8 lead. I think the 8 lead gives us more options. But I’m sure John has his reasons. dgergens says: Thank you for that great bourbon link last week. Just spotted that today. |
Rosemarie44 2052 votes Joined: March 2016 |
    Tuesday 3:28 AM
Tossing 3-9 gives me a hand that has less cuts for improvement than tossing 2-8 but at higher maximum of 10 points. |
dec 6358 votes Joined: April 2008 |
    Tuesday 4:12 AM
I would not give away the 6-9 or the 8-9 for that matter, both relative risky discards Just keep four and utilize that sixteen to limit their pegging and hope for the best cut a four. dec |
zeke76 1396 votes Joined: August 2018 |
    Tuesday 4:20 AM
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james500 3923 votes Joined: June 2013 |
    Tuesday 4:44 AM
What a terrible first hand! Dealer is guaranteed a peg, so a maximum of only four points from hand and box combined.
Only cuts of a 2 or 8 are unhelpful, and I know where one of each is. 2+8=10, and I also know where a 5 is. 6 lead. |
glmccuskey 4101 votes Joined: April 2011 |
    Tuesday 6:02 AM
This looks like the better pegging hand. Against a double run of face cards I peg six with the three lead. |
Gougie00 5730 votes Joined: March 2008 |
    Tuesday 6:32 AM
28 or 39? Since I have little, I cant justify giving away either 6-8, 8-9, or 6-9. I opted for the very defensive 3-9. |
wasa 3018 votes Joined: November 2014 |
    Tuesday 7:06 AM
I had little idea what to do here. Looks like as second deal we had a horrible 5 points combined hand/crib/pegging to start so I think I want offence? Hopefully a 24 point hand for me next deal :-) |
Jazzselke 2586 votes Joined: March 2009 |
    Tuesday 7:14 AM
I had this hand a couple years ago in a totally defensive position late in the game and chose 39. In this case as the second hand of the game and after a terrible first hand, will try for 9 points. If the 2356, which also turns into 9 with a 4 cut, didn't involve a toss of 89, would absolutely agree with Gary on keeping that hand. |
horus93 1281 votes Joined: December 2017 |
    Tuesday 8:44 AM
Tricky one but I believe this will get me the most points. At -3/+17 on first street I wanted to be aggressive. In most situations I'd toss dealer 3-9.
Not surprised to be in the minority but surprised to be totally alone so far I would lead the 3 and go for a 15-2. Inushtuk1 says: Hi horus93. These strange scores on second deal are particularly troubling for me, as far as figuring out who has board position. I’m -3. I see that much. But how is Dealer +17. Wasn’t his/her positional Hole 17/18? Perhaps you or JQT, or anyone could enlighten me. Guest says: Dealer's "theoretical positional hole" is negative 8 (hence first deal dealer is +8). His next par hole as pone next deal is 10. So he has a whopping surplus and we have a surmountable deficit. Guest says: next par hole as pone is actually 8 not 10 Inushtuk1 says: Hi again Guest, or hourus93, or whoever you are. You’ve explained how we are -3. But how did the present Dealer get to be +17? S/he needed to be dealing at 18. Jazzselke says: Agree with you Inush. horus93 says: 18 is one of the dealer par holes, the first dealer par can be imagined 8 points behind the start.
It's the same position as 108-113* (pone's par: 111, dealer's par: 96) or 83-87* (pone's par: 86, dealer's par: 70) horus93 says: also sorry for Guesting I forget to log in a lot Inushtuk1 says: Okay. Now I get it horus93. Thanks. |
Inushtuk1 1487 votes Joined: July 2016 |
    Tuesday 9:38 AM
Well, I see Gary’s better pegging hand, but can’t justify tossing (8-9) this early in the game. There are only two keeps that offer us a chance at the maximum of 10 points. And this is the only one that does not involve tossing a 5. I also like what my friend John wrote about the Sweet Sixteen of 2-6-8, and keeping the powerful 5-6 together.
What a terrible start for us. Only 5 points as game’s starting Dealer, and now 4 points only here on the second deal. Offense. However I think the 8 component from the 2-6-8 Sweet Sixteen is best. Hopefully Dealer does *not* have a double run of face cards, as that would see me playing out with only a (31-2) to show for my efforts. Rather hoping Dealer has 5-X-X-X and it goes thus: 8(8)-5(13)-2(15-2)-X(25)-6(31-2), or 8(8)-X(18)-6(24)-5(29)-2(31-2)/X(10)-5(15-2). Or 8(8)-7(15-2)-6(21-3)-5(26-4)-5(31-4). Ras2829 says: Hi Inushtuk1: Superb puzzle from acis1 this day. There ae 12 choices as to what to hold. Such a large number is a clear sign of the quality of the puzzle. Once in a while we get 13 choices! Ras2829 says: Has anybody submitted a puzzle in November for which more than 12 choices were made? Yes, Acis1 submitted a puzzle on November 17 to which 13 choices were made. Acis1 also submitted a puzzle on November 10 to which only three choices were selected. Acis1 has the top and bottom of the November submissions though think he is tied with me for the latter. You can't have it all Acis1! Inushtuk1 says: Hi Ras. Yes fantastic puzzle. |
dgergens 938 votes Joined: January 2018 |
    Tuesday 9:48 AM
Well, if I can't have anything good, gonna make sure opponent can't either. I chose this hand because the 8&6 were closer together than 9&6. But you could make the same argument for the 3&5 vs the 2&5. So I'll be honest. I saw this hand first (before the 3,5,6,9) and completely missed the sweet sixteen. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. |
JRCeagle78 1054 votes Joined: June 2016 |
    Tuesday 1:27 PM
It appears that the well is running dry at the start of this game, and I have a hole in my bucket. With the sweet sixteen I should be able to peg something and I sure need the dealer to have a hand as bad as mine. I'll lead the 6. |
Coeurdelion 5595 votes Joined: October 2007 |
    Tuesday 3:06 PM
If we're to keep 2pts without giving away 2pts then it only leaves 4 discards 3-9, 2-8, 3-8 and 3-6:
2-5-6-8: 2pts - 4¾pts (Schell: 4.87) = -2¾pts 3-5-6-9: 2pts - 5pts (Schell: 4.94) = -3pts 2-5-6-9: 2pts - 5pts (Schell: 5.05) = -3pts 2-5-8-9: 2pts - 5pts (Schell: 4.87) = -3pts Potential: 2-5-6-8: Improves with AAAA, 222, 4444, 555, 666, 7777, 888, 999 + 16xXs = 43 cuts = 43/46 = 93.5% up to 6/7/8/10pts with 222, 4444, 555, 7777 = 14 cuts. 3-5-6-9: Improves with AAAA, 333, 4444, 555, 666, 7777, 999 + 16xXs = 40 cuts = 40/46 = 87.0% up to 6/7/8pts with AAAA, 333, 4444, 666, 7777, 999 = 21 cuts. 2-5-6-9: Improves with AAAA, 222, 4444, 555, 666, 7777, 888, 999 + 16xXs = 43 cuts = 43/46 = 93.5% up to 6/7/8/9pts with 222, 4444, 666, 7777, 999 = 17 cuts. 2-5-8-9: Improves with AAAA, 222, 4444, 555, 666, 7777, 888, 999 + 16xXs = 43 cuts 43/46 = 93.5% up to 6/7pts with 222, 555, 7777, 888 = 13 cuts. Pegging: I think all these hands will peg similarly. Position: If we were First Dealer the we only scored 5pts and are 3pts short of positional hole so I'll be playing Offense. Summary: Starting with only 2pts I don't think there'll be much between these hands but 2-5-6-8 has joint most cuts for improvement, the best maximum and the lowest discard value so I'll throw 3-9. |
HalscribCLX 5318 votes Joined: February 2008 |
    Tuesday 3:23 PM
At 5-9* playing an Offense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:
_______________Our Offense___Hand_Pegs__Crib___Total___W8 %____W9 % 2-5-6-8___5.17+1.70+(-4.29)=2.58____10.9____24.4 3-5-6-9___5.04+1.85+(-4.41)=2.48____10.9____24.8 2-5-6-9___4.96+1.91+(-4.52)=2.35____10.8____24.5 2-5-8-9___4.78+1.57+(-4.26)=2.09____10.1____23.7 Offense______L8 %____L9 % 2-5-6-8______22.4____44.8 3-5-6-9______21.4____43.6 2-5-6-9______22.1____44.5 2-5-8-9______21.3____44.3 2-5-6-8 is best for expected averages by 0.10pt and although 3-5-6-9 is very slightly best for Win %s and lowest for Loss %s as its the close to the start of the game I'll decide based on expected averages and select 3-9 to discard. After the A cut I'll lead the 8 and play Offense: Lead_________Our Pegging Pts. 8_________________1.93 2_________________1.41 6_________________1.40 5_________________1.13 |
Ras2829 5154 votes Joined: November 2008 |
    Tuesday 5:22 PM
Play the 2-5-6-8 and have long been surprised as to how often a cut of 7 occurs for ten points. Not so today. Lead the 8 as it's off., off., off. today and take any pegs offered. |