November 20, 2018

*** This hand was suggested by acis1 on ecribbage.com
5-9*  ?
26%
25%
14%
7%
6%
5%
4%
2%
2%
1%
1%
0%
0%
Total votes: 174
JQT
4143 votes

Joined: October 2008

 
 
 
Tuesday 3:20 AM
We hold the Sweet Sixteen 2-6-8, and keep the powerful 5-6 together.

Lead the 6 Card.
Guest says: Why is the 16 sweet?
Inushtuk1 says: Hi Guest. 6(6)-X(16)-8(24)-5(29)-2(31-2)/X(10)-5(15-2). Or see my post for how it *might* go with the 8 lead. I think the 8 lead gives us more options. But I’m sure John has his reasons.
dgergens says: Thank you for that great bourbon link last week. Just spotted that today.
Rosemarie44
2052 votes

Joined: March 2016

 
 
 
Tuesday 3:28 AM
Tossing 3-9 gives me a hand that has less cuts for improvement than tossing 2-8 but at higher maximum of 10 points.
dec
6358 votes

Joined: April 2008

 
 
 
Tuesday 4:12 AM
I would not give away the 6-9 or the 8-9 for that matter, both relative risky discards Just keep four and utilize that sixteen to limit their pegging and hope for the best cut a four. dec
zeke76
1396 votes

Joined: August 2018

 
 
 
Tuesday 4:20 AM
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james500
3923 votes

Joined: June 2013

 
 
 
Tuesday 4:44 AM
What a terrible first hand! Dealer is guaranteed a peg, so a maximum of only four points from hand and box combined.

Only cuts of a 2 or 8 are unhelpful, and I know where one of each is. 2+8=10, and I also know where a 5 is.

6 lead.
glmccuskey
4101 votes

Joined: April 2011

 
 
 
Tuesday 6:02 AM
This looks like the better pegging hand. Against a double run of face cards I peg six with the three lead.
Gougie00
5730 votes

Joined: March 2008

 
 
 
Tuesday 6:32 AM
28 or 39? Since I have little, I cant justify giving away either 6-8, 8-9, or 6-9. I opted for the very defensive 3-9.
wasa
3018 votes

Joined: November 2014

 
 
 
Tuesday 7:06 AM
I had little idea what to do here. Looks like as second deal we had a horrible 5 points combined hand/crib/pegging to start so I think I want offence? Hopefully a 24 point hand for me next deal :-)
Jazzselke
2586 votes

Joined: March 2009

 
 
 
Tuesday 7:14 AM
I had this hand a couple years ago in a totally defensive position late in the game and chose 39. In this case as the second hand of the game and after a terrible first hand, will try for 9 points. If the 2356, which also turns into 9 with a 4 cut, didn't involve a toss of 89, would absolutely agree with Gary on keeping that hand.
horus93
1281 votes

Joined: December 2017

 
 
 
Tuesday 8:44 AM
Tricky one but I believe this will get me the most points. At -3/+17 on first street I wanted to be aggressive. In most situations I'd toss dealer 3-9.

Not surprised to be in the minority but surprised to be totally alone so far

I would lead the 3 and go for a 15-2.
Inushtuk1 says: Hi horus93. These strange scores on second deal are particularly troubling for me, as far as figuring out who has board position. I’m -3. I see that much. But how is Dealer +17. Wasn’t his/her positional Hole 17/18? Perhaps you or JQT, or anyone could enlighten me.
Guest says: Dealer's "theoretical positional hole" is negative 8 (hence first deal dealer is +8). His next par hole as pone next deal is 10. So he has a whopping surplus and we have a surmountable deficit.
Guest says: next par hole as pone is actually 8 not 10
Inushtuk1 says: Hi again Guest, or hourus93, or whoever you are. You’ve explained how we are -3. But how did the present Dealer get to be +17? S/he needed to be dealing at 18.
Jazzselke says: Agree with you Inush.
horus93 says: 18 is one of the dealer par holes, the first dealer par can be imagined 8 points behind the start. It's the same position as 108-113* (pone's par: 111, dealer's par: 96) or 83-87* (pone's par: 86, dealer's par: 70)
horus93 says: also sorry for Guesting I forget to log in a lot
Inushtuk1 says: Okay. Now I get it horus93. Thanks.
Inushtuk1
1487 votes

Joined: July 2016

 
 
 
Tuesday 9:38 AM
Well, I see Gary’s better pegging hand, but can’t justify tossing (8-9) this early in the game. There are only two keeps that offer us a chance at the maximum of 10 points. And this is the only one that does not involve tossing a 5. I also like what my friend John wrote about the Sweet Sixteen of 2-6-8, and keeping the powerful 5-6 together.

What a terrible start for us. Only 5 points as game’s starting Dealer, and now 4 points only here on the second deal. Offense. However I think the 8 component from the 2-6-8 Sweet Sixteen is best. Hopefully Dealer does *not* have a double run of face cards, as that would see me playing out with only a (31-2) to show for my efforts. Rather hoping Dealer has 5-X-X-X and it goes thus: 8(8)-5(13)-2(15-2)-X(25)-6(31-2), or 8(8)-X(18)-6(24)-5(29)-2(31-2)/X(10)-5(15-2). Or 8(8)-7(15-2)-6(21-3)-5(26-4)-5(31-4).
Ras2829 says: Hi Inushtuk1: Superb puzzle from acis1 this day. There ae 12 choices as to what to hold. Such a large number is a clear sign of the quality of the puzzle. Once in a while we get 13 choices!
Ras2829 says: Has anybody submitted a puzzle in November for which more than 12 choices were made? Yes, Acis1 submitted a puzzle on November 17 to which 13 choices were made. Acis1 also submitted a puzzle on November 10 to which only three choices were selected. Acis1 has the top and bottom of the November submissions though think he is tied with me for the latter. You can't have it all Acis1!
Inushtuk1 says: Hi Ras. Yes fantastic puzzle.
dgergens
938 votes

Joined: January 2018

 
 
 
Tuesday 9:48 AM
Well, if I can't have anything good, gonna make sure opponent can't either. I chose this hand because the 8&6 were closer together than 9&6. But you could make the same argument for the 3&5 vs the 2&5. So I'll be honest. I saw this hand first (before the 3,5,6,9) and completely missed the sweet sixteen. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.
JRCeagle78
1054 votes

Joined: June 2016

 
 
 
Tuesday 1:27 PM
It appears that the well is running dry at the start of this game, and I have a hole in my bucket. With the sweet sixteen I should be able to peg something and I sure need the dealer to have a hand as bad as mine. I'll lead the 6.
Coeurdelion
5595 votes

Joined: October 2007

 
 
 
Tuesday 3:06 PM
If we're to keep 2pts without giving away 2pts then it only leaves 4 discards 3-9, 2-8, 3-8 and 3-6:

2-5-6-8: 2pts - 4¾pts (Schell: 4.87) = -2¾pts

3-5-6-9: 2pts - 5pts (Schell: 4.94) = -3pts

2-5-6-9: 2pts - 5pts (Schell: 5.05) = -3pts

2-5-8-9: 2pts - 5pts (Schell: 4.87) = -3pts

Potential:

2-5-6-8: Improves with AAAA, 222, 4444, 555, 666, 7777, 888, 999 + 16xXs = 43 cuts = 43/46 = 93.5% up to 6/7/8/10pts with 222, 4444, 555, 7777 = 14 cuts.

3-5-6-9: Improves with AAAA, 333, 4444, 555, 666, 7777, 999 + 16xXs = 40 cuts = 40/46 = 87.0% up to 6/7/8pts with AAAA, 333, 4444, 666, 7777, 999 = 21 cuts.

2-5-6-9: Improves with AAAA, 222, 4444, 555, 666, 7777, 888, 999 + 16xXs = 43 cuts = 43/46 = 93.5% up to 6/7/8/9pts with 222, 4444, 666, 7777, 999 = 17 cuts.

2-5-8-9: Improves with AAAA, 222, 4444, 555, 666, 7777, 888, 999 + 16xXs = 43 cuts 43/46 = 93.5% up to 6/7pts with 222, 555, 7777, 888 = 13 cuts.

Pegging:

I think all these hands will peg similarly.

Position:

If we were First Dealer the we only scored 5pts and are 3pts short of positional hole so I'll be playing Offense.

Summary:

Starting with only 2pts I don't think there'll be much between these hands but 2-5-6-8 has joint most cuts for improvement, the best maximum and the lowest discard value so I'll throw 3-9.
HalscribCLX
5318 votes

Joined: February 2008

 
 
 
Tuesday 3:23 PM
At 5-9* playing an Offense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:

_______________Our
Offense___Hand_Pegs__Crib___Total___W8 %____W9 %
2-5-6-8___5.17+1.70+(-4.29)=2.58____10.9____24.4
3-5-6-9___5.04+1.85+(-4.41)=2.48____10.9____24.8
2-5-6-9___4.96+1.91+(-4.52)=2.35____10.8____24.5
2-5-8-9___4.78+1.57+(-4.26)=2.09____10.1____23.7

Offense______L8 %____L9 %
2-5-6-8______22.4____44.8
3-5-6-9______21.4____43.6
2-5-6-9______22.1____44.5
2-5-8-9______21.3____44.3

2-5-6-8 is best for expected averages by 0.10pt and although 3-5-6-9 is very slightly best for Win %s and lowest for Loss %s as its the close to the start of the game I'll decide based on expected averages and select 3-9 to discard.

After the A cut I'll lead the 8 and play Offense:

Lead_________Our Pegging Pts.
8_________________1.93
2_________________1.41
6_________________1.40
5_________________1.13
Ras2829
5154 votes

Joined: November 2008

 
 
 
Tuesday 5:22 PM
Play the 2-5-6-8 and have long been surprised as to how often a cut of 7 occurs for ten points. Not so today. Lead the 8 as it's off., off., off. today and take any pegs offered.