December 5, 2008

*** This hand was suggested by eCribbage.com
50*-70  ?
90%
2%
2%
1%
1%
0%
0%
Total votes: 122

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Friday 3:08 AM
very obvious keep was there another choice? ok odds on 5 lead would br the spade. hey g do i get half the pot here? slow play the hand. dec
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dec
3703 votes

Joined: April 2008

   
Friday 3:09 AM
308 was me dec
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damonsmom
846 votes

Joined: May 2008

   
Friday 3:11 AM
ok no brainer but I am going to lead the 5 hearts cause I like red hearts better than black spades. now I get to play the game through see u on ecribbage.
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Guest
   
Friday 4:25 AM
The 30 hand. See you thought 29 was the highest hand.
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dec
3703 votes

Joined: April 2008

Friday 4:34 AM
29 is the highest hand. maybe you could get a trap for 5 on the pegging. dec
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Gougie00
3235 votes

Joined: March 2008

   
Friday 5:06 AM
Lets erase that 20 point deficit.
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loosespokes
152 votes

Joined: December 2008

   
Friday 5:10 AM
always nice to be holding a 20 hand,before the cut
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Guest
   
Friday 5:14 AM
Count the points, 2 for the jack and 28 in the hand, 30 hand.
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Guest
Friday 5:50 AM
i did would peg two for the J and await my opponents lead card that is the play of the game.
but i get the reference now we await the 16 crib?
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Guest
   
Friday 6:12 AM
Is there a more perfect cut? An outrageous 6 cards dealt to us; an 11-1 cut that's really the only gutshot card that's going to help our crib. Are you sure we're not better off with random (more realistic) scenarios?
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Bobbo
18 votes

Joined: December 2008

   
Friday 6:20 AM
only in a perfect world would I really get a hand like that..like hitting jackpot on a slot machine
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Guest
   
Friday 6:43 AM
Not so fast Bobbo. Got this hand in a tournament on April 18 in Niagara Falls but Pone cut a Queen. Opponent held this hand on Feb 9 in Reno and Pone cut a King.
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HALSCRIB
199 votes

Joined: February 2008

   
Friday 6:44 AM
Oops, 6:43 as me.
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Guest
Friday 6:48 AM
hi hal what odds are better the four 5s or the jackpot? dec
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atlchica
275 votes

Joined: July 2008

   
Friday 7:24 AM
Never, never, NEVER will I give up the chance for a 28 or 29 cut. Interesting challenge...can anyone come up with a scenario where you would hold 3 fives and a face, and toss one or two of them to the crib?

But I digress. Bobbo, I also got this hand in tournament play a few years ago at Reno. I needed around 27 points to win with first count (pone needed I think around 8 pts). I held the four 5s and cut the face card. Oooh, was my opponent pissed!

In another digression, I taught my nephew to play cribbage last weekend. So what happens? Playing with his dad last night, he got a 28 hand. After less than a week of playing cribbage. Unreal.
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karenak502
150 votes

Joined: February 2008

   
Friday 8:12 AM
Cool for sure! K
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Guest
   
Friday 8:23 AM
Dec: Need to know what the odds of "Jackpot" are, then can answer your question. Hal
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eCribbage.com
331 votes

Joined: June 2008

   
Friday 8:28 AM
Uh sorry guys I was just messing around trying the "Suggest a Hand" feature out, I didn't know it would become today's hand. Wasn't really paying attention to which cards I was selecting for it.
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Guest
   
Friday 8:38 AM
wish they were all this easy
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Guest
   
Friday 8:41 AM
I tried to submit a hand, but it asked for the opponent's hand too, which I felt was pointless in this type of analysis. Coincidentially, my idea was 5-5-5-5-J-J, with us 21 points from game and dealer (opponent) 3 points from winning.
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Guest
Friday 8:52 AM
how about the odds of just getting four 5s dealt i think those odds would be better than some sort of lottery or slot machine ,was being too general ty hal
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Guest
   
Friday 9:04 AM
Odds of 4 of a kind in hand are about 1 in 9024. Odds of any X (a ten-valued card) as starter for our hand is 14/46. So odds for this 28-hand is about 1 in 29650. Waiting for your Jackpot odds, Dec. 8-) Hal
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Guest
   
Friday 10:02 AM
hopefully the new suggestion thing will keep the cards in some kind of order 5,5,5,5,q,k would be nice for my obsessive compulsiveness
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Guest
   
Friday 11:07 AM
Should be called "Daily Dreamworld Cribbage Hand". Yeah, and in our "Dreamworld" pone also threw K Q.DMS
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Guest
   
Friday 11:08 AM
I'm suprised the 5th 5 wasn't cut.DMS
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Guest
Friday 11:11 AM
Do they come dealt that way? In order. Not often, but if the do it is a sign, take them.
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Guest
Friday 11:44 AM
I've had 4 5's dealt to me 3 times. Once a 2 was cut, once an 8 and once a 4. A friend of mine would call it a "Jim Hatch" cut. :-)DMS
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Ras2829
2730 votes

Joined: November 2008

   
Friday 11:49 AM
Yes have held this hand 5-6 times over the 65+ years have played the game. Never got a 30 hand with the Jack cut though did hit a rare 28 this way. Have you noticed that nearly all 28 hands require finding that elusive fourth five in the deck? When nolding 5-5-5-5, seems like folks are real good at finding 2, 8, or 9 as a starter card. In recent years have played 100 games weekly electronicaly or with real people. Getting four cards alike in six cards is one in 670 deals. Computing 9.3 deals per game as average, you could expect four of something once in each 72 games played based on my empirical data recorded for the last 13 years. During that peirod 616 fours of a kind have appeared in 413,014 deals. Since there are 13 possible quads, does that make a given set such as 5-5-5-5 12 or 13 times as infrequent? By the way for those who want to give up an average of seven+ combined points and put one of those fives to the crib, the 5 & K of spades is the best choice. 5-K average to own crib is 6.726 (1,742) and 5-Q average is 6.593 (1,251)and you should match the suit to gain an additional .04 of one point in crib value. If you would like to know more on how to record empirical data in actual play, E-mail RAS@localaccess.com.
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Guest
   
Friday 4:09 PM
Lead the five.
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Lumbergh
430 votes

Joined: June 2008

   
Friday 11:00 PM
A guy in our club got a 28 hand in tournament play and the very next hand, in a defensive situation, held four 5's and discarded 2 of them. A face card was cut. He nearly had back to back 28 hands.

The guy I was playing made a remark about the cards not being shuffled well, but obviously then their would be no chance of getting all four 5's again.

Counting electronic opponents, I have held four 5's twice with no face card cuts. My only 28 hand came while holding Q-5-5-5 and having the fourth 5 cut. I've never even seen a 29 hand in play, least of all had one myself.
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eCribbage.com
331 votes

Joined: June 2008

Friday 11:31 PM
At eCribbage we keep track of 28s and 29s, and in about 8 months of play we have only two 29 hands and about ten 28 hands. I have never gotten a 28 or 29 yet..
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HALSCRIB
199 votes

Joined: February 2008

   
Saturday 5:05 AM
As per my earlier post, the odds of getting a specific 4 of a kind is about 1 in 9024 ( [4C4 x 48C2] / 52C4 )and the odds of getting any 4 of a kind is 1 in 694 or 13 times more frequent. mCn is combinatorics short-hand for the distinct ways that you can select "n objects" from "m objects" where n
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HALSCRIB
199 votes

Joined: February 2008

   
Saturday 5:06 AM
where n
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HALSCRIB
199 votes

Joined: February 2008

   
Saturday 5:08 AM
where n less than or equal to m. (The keyboard character for "less than" seems to end the post.
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HALSCRIB
199 votes

Joined: February 2008

   
Saturday 6:01 AM
I leave it as an exercise for the readers to compute the odds of a 29 hand: [4C3 x 1C1 x 47C2] / 52C4 = odds of getting three 5's and J of same suit as fourth 5: 1/46 = odds of cutting the fourth 5.
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HALSCRIB
199 votes

Joined: February 2008

   
Saturday 6:04 AM
Oops, the divisor is 52C6 (20358520), not 52C4.
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tim_oregon
279 votes

Joined: February 2008

   
Saturday 6:13 PM
To the guest at 409. Hard to lead a five when not your lead ;)

As for todays hand, I can't see a reason why you woudln't keep the count, unless defense was key where you needed out card or two. Not here, we need to hopefully parlay this hand back in the game. Think opponent tossed a couple face cards to keep a double run? *crossing fingers*
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