May 23, 2020
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Total votes: 194 |
dec 6357 votes Joined: April 2008 |
    Saturday 3:09 AM
So its a Saturday in May? The discard keeps the main hand with six thru nine cuts that end up with five up to nine points. There is eleven count in hand might help in the defensive pegging. Mostly Q-5 could end up with six thru dozen plus points. Happy Memorial Day weekend thank you to all that served and protected this country. dec |
james500 3922 votes Joined: June 2013 |
    Saturday 3:22 AM
I thought about Q-A for a little while, but wasn't totally convinced by it. Q-5 instead then. |
Andy (muesli64) 2223 votes Joined: August 2009 |
    Saturday 3:57 AM
5 - Q preferred. Marginally better than 7-8. |
thelawnet 262 votes Joined: January 2020 |
    Saturday 4:18 AM
X5 is a classic toss to your own crib and it's particularly attractive when the x5 lacks further support. Pone often tosses X to our crib, and there are plenty of cuts to help.
78 is a nice enough toss in that it's a 15 and can meet a 6 or 9 in the crib, but x5 can often run into 3 more X cards for a hand of 18 points A278 doesn't seem too great for pegging though, as a 78 to the same from pone is likely to end up with more points for him than us, and we don't have a 14/13/12/11 couplet to 15 off an opening low card |
Rosemarie44 2052 votes Joined: March 2016 |
    Saturday 4:56 AM
I think this is the best we can do. |
scottcrib 1635 votes Joined: August 2019 |
    Saturday 5:17 AM
Tossed 7-8 since every cut either helps my hand or my crib. Also, it's early, so pone may feel like gambling with a 6-8 toss.
Off to north Georgia for a vacation in the woods. See you in a week! |
mfetchCT425 1398 votes Joined: February 2009 |
    Saturday 5:39 AM
Like the 5-Q slightly better than the 7-8 in our crib. |
JQT 4143 votes Joined: October 2008 |
    Saturday 6:01 AM
The value of Toss (7 8) and Toss (5 X) to our Own Crib is a matter of perhaps one-tenth of a point in difference, and so I have often attributed the preference for one of these discards over the other as mainly a matter of style.
Even regional differences are said to exist, in which the Central and Midwestern areas of North America are said to have recorded a slight bias for Toss (7 8), and I have been curious about the origins of this behavior for a few decades. RAS and I discussed this curious facet of Cribbage at length back in 2013, and if you wish to delve into this topic a bit further, you can point your browser back seven years and two months and read our ideas on this interesting topic. REF: https://www.dailycribbagehand.org/show.php?date=2013/03/16 Anyway, in spite of the three-card "Magic Eleven" inherent in (A 2 8) today, I'll Toss (7 8) regardless, as these days I am leaning toward the value of holding onto the 5 Card in the Hand for pegging, along with the power and strength of those "Touching" cards of (7 8) in the Crib. Next year, maybe I'll switch back to my former Toss (5 X) ways, who can be sure? thelawnet says: That was quite a different hand in 2013, in that there was a 23 supporting the 5 JQT says: This choice has appeared quite frequently on this site, but I was looking for the instance in which we discussed the differing play that occurs seems to be regionally based. If the "X" card is a Jack, that also seems to affect player preferences, because the Discard Tables of course add that extra 0.25 point for possibly getting Nobs, which as Dealer we would in fact get anyway, regardless of where the Jack ends up. This Toss (7 8) vs Toss (5 X) preference might be one of those decisions I might in fact base on the previous knowledge of my Opponent. |
Gougie00 5729 votes Joined: March 2008 |
    Saturday 6:17 AM
when in doubt, Face-Five. |
SallyAnn3 908 votes Joined: March 2020 |
    Saturday 6:55 AM
I echo those who made the same choice.... |
Jazzselke 2586 votes Joined: March 2009 |
Saturday 7:45 AM
Close call with this desultory hand. Usually prefer 5X in the crib but better pegging potential with this arrangement.Could pair a face-card lead, even if tripped can get a 31. Then fifteen in the next series.
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horus93 1281 votes Joined: December 2017 |
    Saturday 8:42 AM
A five in the hand is worth way more than the 0.2 points by which this hand is weaker for pure hand+crib averages. horus93 says: And at this RP (-1/+13) we should play offense without reservation |
Coeurdelion 5594 votes Joined: October 2007 |
    Saturday 3:49 PM
I think there's three likely keeps - A-2-7-8 (5-Q), A-2-5-Q (7-8) and 5-7-8-Q (A-2):
A-2-7-8: 2pts + 6½pts (Schell: 6.66) = 8½pts A-2-5-Q: 2pts + 6½pts (Schell: 6.53) = 8½pts 5-7-8-Q: 4pts + 4¼pts (Schell: 4.23) = 8¼pts Potential: A-2-7-8: Improves with AAA, 222, 3333, 4444, 555, 6666, 777, 888, 9999 = 31 cuts = 31/46 = 67.4% up to 5/6/7/8pts with 3333, 555, 6666, 777, 888, 9999 = 21 cuts. A-2-5-Q: Improves with AAA, 222, 3333, 4444, 555, 777, 888, 9999 + 15xXs = 42 cuts = 42/46 = 91.3% up to 6/7pts with 222, 3333, 555, QQQ = 13 cuts. 5-7-8-Q: Improves with 222, 3333, 555, 6666, 777, 888, 9999 + 15xXs = 39 cuts = 39/46 = 84.8% up to 7/8pts with 555, 6666, 777, 888, 9999, QQQ = 20 cuts. Position: We're nearly at first street positional hole but Pone is 3pts past it so I'll play Offense. Pegging: I think A-2-7-8 should peg best. Summary: A-2-5-Q has the most cuts for improvement but A-2-7-8 has 31 cuts for 5-8pts and should peg best so I'll throw 5-Q. |
HalscribCLX 5317 votes Joined: February 2008 |
    Saturday 3:52 PM
At 17*-21 playing an Offense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:
______________Our Offense__Hand_Pegs_Crib_Total____W7 %____W8 % A-2-5-Q___4.48+3.39+6.60=14.47____13.4____32.1 A-2-7-8___4.48+3.28+6.66=14.42____12.8____31.2 5-7-8-Q___6.48+3.48+4.12=14.08____11.8____29.7 Offense______L7 %____L8 % A-2-5-Q_______14.8____34.2 A-2-7-8_______15.1____35.3 5-7-8-Q_______15.1____36.5 A-2-5-Q is best for expected averages by 0.05pt and is slightly best for Win %s and lowest for Loss %s. So I'll select 7-8 to discard. After the K cut I'll play Offense to the lead. |
dgergens 938 votes Joined: January 2018 |
    Saturday 5:50 PM
Starting points are all the same so seems need to do something that will improve crib potential. Seems to come down to a personal preference since both 5Q and 78 have good upside potential. HalsCrib numbers seem to bear out how close the 2 options are in point value. |