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Total votes: 211 |
Benramey78 | Only because the game had just started i discarded the king and 5, but if we were towards the end and I had a chance of losing I would have discarded the king and 9 |
dec 6356 votes Joined: April 2008 |
    Tuesday 3:21 AM
I think it would have to be pretty decisive positions on fourth street not do this discard still. So probably about seventy five percent of the game I would do this one. Seven lead here. dec |
Rosemarie44 2052 votes Joined: March 2016 |
    Tuesday 3:24 AM
Early in the game, going with expected average and tossing 5-K to dealer. Hand starts with 12 and has a maximum of 24. |
thelawnet 262 votes Joined: January 2020 |
    Tuesday 3:29 AM
this hand is far too strong to worry about tossing 5K to dealer's crib. |
mrob2199 1433 votes Joined: February 2009 |
    Tuesday 3:36 AM
Time to deliver a knockout punch with a middle card cut-lead the 7 and dump the other 7 if dealer makes it 17-we might get lucky and trap a 10 with our remaining 8-9 |
james500 3921 votes Joined: June 2013 |
    Tuesday 3:57 AM
12 points gets me into position. |
Andy (muesli64) 2223 votes Joined: August 2009 |
    Tuesday 4:58 AM
Got to be. Benefits so outweigh the disadvantages. |
JQT 4143 votes Joined: October 2008 |
    Tuesday 5:43 AM
The only thing worse than putting a 5 Card in the Enemy Crib is doing ANYTHING ELSE today.
We double our Hand to a Dozen Points prior to the Cut, and in doing so, Toss (5 K) might 'cost' us about Three Points 'over the board,' a very good investment. Even if that King were another 5 Card, we should *still* Keep (7 7 8 9) and Toss (5 5). Do not fear the 5 Card: in many instances, it is just another card. JQT says: For example, Toss (9 K) has a Crib Value of about 4 Points, while Toss (5 K) has a Crib Value of about 7.3 Points. Thus, it's only a difference or additional 'cost' of about 3.3 Points. Eolus619 says: What would you discard if the score was 105-100* ? JQT says: Needing 16 Points to win, it would be difficult to pass up those Dozen Points dealt to us, with many Cuts that win, since even if we fall short, we can probably peg a few as Next Dealer. Only if score were perhaps tied around 100 Points would a defensive discard begin to be an attractive choice. Eolus619 says: Thanks |
mfetchCT425 1397 votes Joined: February 2009 |
    Tuesday 5:47 AM
Be aggressive here. I see no reason to break up a 12 hand to avoid the 5-K discard at this board position. We should be in nice position with the crib on next deal. SallyAnn3 says: Congrats on GOLD last night in ACC tourney on eCribbage, Mike :) (We still have to convince Rob to grace us with his presence) mfetchCT425 says: Thanks Sally! Had some nice cards last night. Yes, be fun to see Rob online. |
RubyTuesday 912 votes Joined: January 2019 |
    Tuesday 6:10 AM
I’m happy to throw 5K to dealer’s crib today. |
JRCeagle78 1054 votes Joined: June 2016 |
    Tuesday 6:19 AM
Sometimes, the best thing to do is the one thing you don't want to do. I'll feel that inner happiness when the dealer responds to my 7 lead with a Queen, no preference as to suit. |
Eolus619 1340 votes Joined: June 2020 |
    Tuesday 6:24 AM
See all the above........plus ...the #1 goal for me is to start next hand in the 40s as dealer. So toss K-5. |
Jazzselke 2585 votes Joined: March 2009 |
    Tuesday 6:38 AM
I've said a few times: "You can't throw your good hands away". Dependent on position of course. |
Gougie00 5728 votes Joined: March 2008 |
    Tuesday 7:10 AM
Gotta give yourself a chance to win |
Mark6 702 votes Joined: June 2020 |
    Tuesday 7:20 AM
Chance to grow a nice hand into a Monster |
SallyAnn3 908 votes Joined: March 2020 |
    Tuesday 8:05 AM
No fear...early in the game....cushioned lead. As one or my mentors says above "You can't throw your good hands away!" See Dan, I DO listen lol |
wasa 3016 votes Joined: November 2014 |
    Tuesday 10:16 AM
Surprised not 100% |
Ras2829 5151 votes Joined: November 2008 |
    Tuesday 10:43 AM
At hole 29 need 14 points to reach 2ndstreet CPZ 43-47) for upcoming deal. So it's off., off., off, lead a 7 and take any pegs offered. Understanding of positional requirements makes this an easy decision as to pegging strategy, hand to retain, discard to make, and card to lead. Is there a place on the board where I would choose defense and toss 9-K? Yes - if shoulder to shoulder at hole 93-97 as n/d. In such case, minimizing dealer progress down the board would be the my major consideration. Ras2829 says: BTW RAS would not play this hand if needing 5-6 holes to win with first count. Holding 7-8-9-K or 7-7-8-K then would be preferable. Of course, if you're playing for a 24-hand pot, you might keep 7-7-8-9 anywhere on the board. |
Coeurdelion 5592 votes Joined: October 2007 |
    Tuesday 1:46 PM
I think it's a straight choice between 7-7-8-9 (5-K) and 5-7-7-8 (9-K):
7-7-8-9: 12pts - 7½pts (Schell: 7.25) = -4½pts 5-7-7-8: 8pts - 4pts (Schell: 4.03) = -4pts Potential: 7-7-8-9: Improves with AAAA, 6666, 77, 888, 999, 10101010 = 20 cuts = 20/46 = 43.5% up to 16/20/21/24pts with 6666, 77, 888, 999 = 12 cuts. 5-7-7-8: Improves with AAAA, 2222, 3333, 555, 6666, 77, 888, 999 + 15xXs = 42 cuts = 42/46 = 91.3% up to 10/12/14pts with 3333, 6666, 77, 888, 999 = 16 cuts. Position: We need 15pts to reach 2nd street positional hole so I'll play Offense. Pegging: Both hands will peg well but I think 5-7-7-8 will peg slightly better. Summary: 5-7-7-8 has a starting value ½pt more than 7-7-8-9 and it has many more cuts for improvement and 16 cuts for 10-14pts. 7-7-8-9 obviously starts with 12pts and although it only has 20 cuts for improvement it has 12 cuts for 16-24pts. As we're aiming at 44pts if we start with 12pts and peg 1 or 2pts we're almost there. So In this situation I think I'll keep the dozen . If we do get a cut for a big hand then we'll be in a strong position. |
HalscribCLX 5315 votes Joined: February 2008 |
    Tuesday 1:48 PM
At 29-19* playing an Offense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:
_______________Our Offense__Hand__Pegs__Crib___Total___W7 %____W8 % 7-7-8-9___14.39+1.17+(-7.49)=8.07____52.5____59.0 5-7-7-8____9.22+1.26+(-3.95)=6.53____36.0____52.3 Offense_____L7 %____L8 % 7-7-8-9_____25.3____25.8 5-7-7-8_____17.8____27.9 7-7-8-9 is better for expected averages by 1.54pts and is very much better Win %s. 5-7-7-8 is signicantly lower for Loss %s because of the safety of the 9-K compared to 5-K but even so I'll select 5-K to discard. After the A cut I'll lead a 7 and play Offense: Lead__________Our Pegging Pts. 7__________________1.32 8__________________1.04 9__________________0.85 |