September 12, 2021
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Total votes: 202 |
james500 3922 votes Joined: June 2013 |
    Sunday 3:14 AM
5-5 from me.
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glmccuskey 4100 votes Joined: April 2011 |
    Sunday 4:50 AM
Me to James. |
Andy (muesli64) 2223 votes Joined: August 2009 |
    Sunday 5:03 AM
Book throw. Automatic? 2-3 OK too. But this pegs better? Depends which side of the bed did one get out of?!!
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dec 6357 votes Joined: April 2008 |
    Sunday 5:18 AM
So many ways to perhaps get twenty four points in total. Today 2-3 another day perhaps 5-5. dec |
Gougie00 5729 votes Joined: March 2008 |
    Sunday 5:26 AM
Can't resist the urge to toss 55 |
JQT 4143 votes Joined: October 2008 |
    Sunday 5:32 AM
Either Toss (5 5) or Toss (2 3) should do fine here. Nice way to begin a game: Don't you wish Cribbage had a "Doubling Cube" like Backgammon?!
The "trap" to avoid here is to stay away from Keep (3 4 5 5) with the very weak Toss (2 K) discard, worth maybe just 3.5 Points in Our Crib. Remember that Toss (5 5) tends to average close to Nine Points in Our Crib, and Toss (2 3) is no slouch, either, chiming in at around Seven Points. JQT says: Nice puzzle to begin (or end) the week; perhaps having the King be a Heart Suit would make the puzzle slightly better, or it might make it slightly worse. Eolus619 says: With the Kh in the dealt hand , that would become a very interesting choice about preferences ( when to do so) of splitting up a pair of 5s. One might very well then have to FLUSH ..pr not ! good bonus question Eolus619 says: pr should be or..yikes james500 says: Hi both. In answer to John's comment about the KD being the KH instead, for what it's worth in that case I'd choose 2-3-5-K (4-5). Might make for an interesting submission? Eolus619 says: James…indeed …As dealer, when to and when not to split the 5-5 is an important board position and dealt hand decision ! |
Jazzselke 2586 votes Joined: March 2009 |
    Sunday 5:34 AM
Possible double run and fives in the crib, what's not to like. Maybe a good puzzle to see players'preference for 23 or 55. |
usacoder 968 votes Joined: August 2019 |
    Sunday 5:49 AM
Lots of ways to go here. Personally, I would keep the double run, but I went with what my algorithm recommended. Here are the algorithms top three picks:
Points: 19.55; Keep: FOUR of CLUBs FIVE of HEARTs FIVE of DIAMONDs KING of DIAMONDs discard these: TWO of HEARTs THREE of HEARTs Points: 18.99; Keep: TWO of HEARTs THREE of HEARTs FOUR of CLUBs KING of DIAMONDs discard these: FIVE of HEARTs FIVE of DIAMONDs Points: 18.68; Keep: THREE of HEARTs FOUR of CLUBs FIVE of HEARTs FIVE of DIAMONDs discard these: TWO of HEARTs KING of DIAMONDs |
Eolus619 1341 votes Joined: June 2020 |
    Sunday 6:23 AM
With this hand & board position, imo there are two very good tosses …2-3 or 5-5..and one not so good 2-K. I am following Ras’s rule here..if you send a 5-5 the remaining cards need a way to turn into a keep of 12+. A deuce or trey cut will form a double run and do that. JQT says: Nicely Stated! Eolus619 says: thx JQT! |
Fender Bass 373 votes Joined: July 2021 |
    Sunday 6:42 AM
Well it looks like I'm once again the only defender of the top vote getter. I don't see how you can go too far wrong holding the double run but I immediately thougt that that was the point of the puzzle today. Remember that time you tossed 5's into your crib and it didn't work out as well as you'd hoped? I say take the sure points here and carry on. It's real easy to get too clever for your own good in this game. SallyAnn3 says: Hi Fender. I learned years ago on here not to look at what the top vote getter is. I look at what the top players choose--many of the other commentators on here. The ones who earn the big money and master points! |
fentesk 1202 votes Joined: January 2021 |
    Sunday 7:15 AM
I gave 5-5 the slight advantage over 2-3, mainly because I thought I could peg a bit more defensively with the A-2-3-K.
With that said, this hand looks like a dealer start that we may consider switching to offense as first dealer with the right cut and try to shorten the game instead of extend it. fentesk says: That should say 2-3-4-K. |
Ras2829 5153 votes Joined: November 2008 |
    Sunday 10:11 AM
s dealer of first hand, it's defense to include the pegging. Play off the lead although would play the King if a five is led. Not likely with two of them in the crib and an aversion by most players to lead a five. The high potential crib value of 5-5 discard gives the 2-3-4-K the edge by about .25 combined value (minus pegs+ hand score + crib score). All choices here give up two pegs or slightly less; so little to choose there. Of course hand potential score for holding 4-5-5-K with 2-3 discard is greater than holding 2-3-4-K - just not enough to outweigh 5-5 discard value to crib. Combined values are slightly better than 17.5 for each of the choices with 2-3-4-K having a 1/4 point advantage. Hope for such cards often. RAS had them yesterday as our GR club had a mini six-game tourney in hope of attracting new players. My scorecard was 15/6/+193. In club the week before opened the new GR season with 9/4/+11. Ras2829 says: We refer to winning all nine games as a Grand Slam. Winning six of six must at least be a Slim Slam! SallyAnn3 says: lol...cute :)
Ras2829 says: BTW did not consider any discard other than 5-5 and 2-3. |
MiketheExpert 1121 votes Joined: April 2021 |
    Sunday 10:49 AM
You can hardly ever go wrong with tossing (5 5), especially with cards like this dealt as the first hand of the game. I will look to toss this whenever I can.. But tossing (2 3) is certainly acceptable, and keeps a chance for a higher potential as well. This double run looks inviting to keep, with potential max of up to 16/17 pts, whereas toss (5 5) only yields a max of 12 hand pts, but you should realize that the combined value is quite off the pace due to the far weaker toss of (2 K). Here is where you definitely have to remember a crib is an extension of your own hand. Regardless, it is a great way to start the game. After the A cut, let's play defense to the lead and be fairly well assured of coming out of this deal with a nice advantage.
Btw, comment about changing Kd to Kh would certainly make for an interesting decision, and I think the starting 8 pt flush with an excellent (4 5) crib toss would certainly come into play. Ras2829 says: Hi MiketheExpert: Several good points made. Appreciate your willingness to share. MiketheExpert says: Thank you Ras! |
MiketheExpert 1121 votes Joined: April 2021 |
    Sunday 10:56 AM
*I should say above higher "hand" potential with (2 3) throw....not by expected averages, just to be clear! |
SallyAnn3 908 votes Joined: March 2020 |
    Sunday 11:59 AM
With the majority!
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Coeurdelion 5594 votes Joined: October 2007 |
    Sunday 2:16 PM
I think there are three likely keeps - 3-4-5-5 (2-K), 2-3-4-K (5-5) and 4-5-5-K (2-3):
3-4-5-5: 8pts + 3½pts (Schell: 3.52) = 11½pts 2-3-4-K: 5pts + 8¾pts (Schell: 8.79) = 13¾pts 4-5-5-K: 6pts + 6¾pts (Schell: 7.00) = 12¾pts Potential: 3-4-5-5: Improves with AAAA, 222, 333, 444, 55, 6666, 7777, 8888 + 15xXs = 42 cuts = 42/46 = 91.3% up to 12/14/16/17/20pts with 222, 333, 444, 55, 6666, 7777 + 15xXs = 34 cuts. 2-3-4-K: Improves with AAAA, 222, 333, 444, 55, 6666, 8888, 9999 + 15xXs = 42 cuts = 42/46 = 91.3% up to 8/9/10/12pts with AAAA, 222, 333, 444, 55, KKK = 18 cuts. 4-5-5-K: Improves with AAAA, 333, 444, 55, 6666 + 15xXs = 31 cuts = 31/46 = 67.4% up to 10/12/14pts with AAAA, 333, 55, 6666 + 15xXs = 28 cuts. Position: As First Dealer we'll play Defense. Positional hole is 8pts but I'll try to score the average 16pts or more. Pegging: Playing Defense I think 2-3-4-K will peg best with 3 low cards and a high card. Summary: 2-3-4-K has the best starting value by 1pt over 4-5-5-K and 2¼pts over 3-4-5-5. 3-4-5-5 and 2-3-4-K have the most cuts for improvement and although 3-4-5-5 has 34 cuts for 12-20pts I don't think it will catch up 2¼pts. 2-3-4-K has 18 cuts for 8-12pts and it should also peg well. So I'll throw the 5-5. |
HalscribCLX 5317 votes Joined: February 2008 |
    Sunday 2:40 PM
At 0*-0 playing a Defense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:
_______________Pone's Defense___Hand_Pegs____Crib_Total____W9 %____W10 % 2-3-4-K____7.93+(-2.15)+8.53=14.31____49.7____59.3 4-5-5-K____9.52+(-2.04)+6.63=14.11____48.2____58.7 3-4-5-5___12.48+(-2.26)+3.07=13.29____47.4____58.8 2-3-4-5H___8.48+(-2.04)+6.48=12.92____46.1____56.1 Defense_______L9 %____L10 % 2-3-4-K________27.6____17.7 4-5-5-K________25.7____17.8 3-4-5-5________25.7____17.6 2-3-4-5H_______28.7____20.4 2-3-4-K is best for expected averages by 0.20pt and is slightly best for Win %s. Although 4-5-5-K and 3-4-5-5 are lower for Loss %s even so I'll select 5-5 to discard. After the A cut I'll play Defense to the lead. JQT says: After we Toss (5 5) and Cut an Ace, no need to worry, as only Two Discards out of Ninety-One Possible Discards by Pone, namely Toss (2 6) or Toss (3 8), will produce the Minimum, Two-Point Crib! Homework: Could there be a worse-possible Cut Card for us, and if so, what is it? And what is Pone's safest discard for each of the popular "X" Cuts? |
JCM 910 votes Joined: April 2019 |
    Sunday 6:52 PM
This morning I had exactly this hand, and it was my crib, too. I had already voted, so I knew exactly what to do. The starter card wasn't of a lot of use to either hand or crib - but I did go on to win the game, anyway :-) JCM says: The cards showing are not what I did - I discarded 5-5
JCM says: The cards showing are not what I did - I discarded 5-5
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