September 12, 2021

*** This hand was suggested by MiketheExpert
0*-0  ?
38%
35%
14%
11%
Total votes: 202
james500
2988 votes

Joined: June 2013

   
Sunday 3:14 AM
5-5 from me.
glmccuskey
3453 votes

Joined: April 2011

   
Sunday 4:50 AM
Me to James.
Andy (muesli64)
2001 votes

Joined: August 2009

   
Sunday 5:03 AM
Book throw. Automatic? 2-3 OK too. But this pegs better? Depends which side of the bed did one get out of?!!
dec
5385 votes

Joined: April 2008

   
Sunday 5:18 AM
So many ways to perhaps get twenty four points in total. Today 2-3 another day perhaps 5-5. dec
Gougie00
4775 votes

Joined: March 2008

   
Sunday 5:26 AM
Can't resist the urge to toss 55
JQT
3215 votes

Joined: October 2008

   
Sunday 5:32 AM
Either Toss (5 5) or Toss (2 3) should do fine here. Nice way to begin a game: Don't you wish Cribbage had a "Doubling Cube" like Backgammon?!

The "trap" to avoid here is to stay away from Keep (3 4 5 5) with the very weak Toss (2 K) discard, worth maybe just 3.5 Points in Our Crib.

Remember that Toss (5 5) tends to average close to Nine Points in Our Crib, and Toss (2 3) is no slouch, either, chiming in at around Seven Points.
Jazzselke
1890 votes

Joined: March 2009

   
Sunday 5:34 AM
Possible double run and fives in the crib, what's not to like. Maybe a good puzzle to see players'preference for 23 or 55.
usacoder
725 votes

Joined: August 2019

   
Sunday 5:49 AM
Lots of ways to go here. Personally, I would keep the double run, but I went with what my algorithm recommended. Here are the algorithms top three picks:

Points: 19.55; Keep: FOUR of CLUBs FIVE of HEARTs FIVE of DIAMONDs KING of DIAMONDs
discard these: TWO of HEARTs THREE of HEARTs
Points: 18.99; Keep: TWO of HEARTs THREE of HEARTs FOUR of CLUBs KING of DIAMONDs
discard these: FIVE of HEARTs FIVE of DIAMONDs
Points: 18.68; Keep: THREE of HEARTs FOUR of CLUBs FIVE of HEARTs FIVE of DIAMONDs
discard these: TWO of HEARTs KING of DIAMONDs
Eolus619
475 votes

Joined: June 2020

   
Sunday 6:23 AM
With this hand & board position, imo there are two very good tosses …2-3 or 5-5..and one not so good 2-K. I am following Ras’s rule here..if you send a 5-5 the remaining cards need a way to turn into a keep of 12+. A deuce or trey cut will form a double run and do that.
Fender Bass
84 votes

Joined: July 2021

   
Sunday 6:42 AM
Well it looks like I'm once again the only defender of the top vote getter. I don't see how you can go too far wrong holding the double run but I immediately thougt that that was the point of the puzzle today. Remember that time you tossed 5's into your crib and it didn't work out as well as you'd hoped? I say take the sure points here and carry on. It's real easy to get too clever for your own good in this game.
fentesk
279 votes

Joined: January 2021

   
Sunday 7:15 AM
I gave 5-5 the slight advantage over 2-3, mainly because I thought I could peg a bit more defensively with the A-2-3-K.

With that said, this hand looks like a dealer start that we may consider switching to offense as first dealer with the right cut and try to shorten the game instead of extend it.
Ras2829
4225 votes

Joined: November 2008

   
Sunday 10:11 AM
s dealer of first hand, it's defense to include the pegging. Play off the lead although would play the King if a five is led. Not likely with two of them in the crib and an aversion by most players to lead a five. The high potential crib value of 5-5 discard gives the 2-3-4-K the edge by about .25 combined value (minus pegs+ hand score + crib score). All choices here give up two pegs or slightly less; so little to choose there. Of course hand potential score for holding 4-5-5-K with 2-3 discard is greater than holding 2-3-4-K - just not enough to outweigh 5-5 discard value to crib. Combined values are slightly better than 17.5 for each of the choices with 2-3-4-K having a 1/4 point advantage. Hope for such cards often. RAS had them yesterday as our GR club had a mini six-game tourney in hope of attracting new players. My scorecard was 15/6/+193. In club the week before opened the new GR season with 9/4/+11.
MiketheExpert
180 votes

Joined: April 2021

   
Sunday 10:49 AM
You can hardly ever go wrong with tossing (5 5), especially with cards like this dealt as the first hand of the game. I will look to toss this whenever I can.. But tossing (2 3) is certainly acceptable, and keeps a chance for a higher potential as well. This double run looks inviting to keep, with potential max of up to 16/17 pts, whereas toss (5 5) only yields a max of 12 hand pts, but you should realize that the combined value is quite off the pace due to the far weaker toss of (2 K). Here is where you definitely have to remember a crib is an extension of your own hand. Regardless, it is a great way to start the game. After the A cut, let's play defense to the lead and be fairly well assured of coming out of this deal with a nice advantage.


Btw, comment about changing Kd to Kh would certainly make for an interesting decision, and I think the starting 8 pt flush with an excellent (4 5) crib toss would certainly come into play.
MiketheExpert
180 votes

Joined: April 2021

   
Sunday 10:56 AM
*I should say above higher "hand" potential with (2 3) throw....not by expected averages, just to be clear!
SallyAnn3
462 votes

Joined: March 2020

   
Sunday 11:59 AM
With the majority!
Coeurdelion
4683 votes

Joined: October 2007

   
Sunday 2:16 PM
I think there are three likely keeps - 3-4-5-5 (2-K), 2-3-4-K (5-5) and 4-5-5-K (2-3):

3-4-5-5: 8pts + 3½pts (Schell: 3.52) = 11½pts

2-3-4-K: 5pts + 8¾pts (Schell: 8.79) = 13¾pts

4-5-5-K: 6pts + 6¾pts (Schell: 7.00) = 12¾pts

Potential:

3-4-5-5: Improves with AAAA, 222, 333, 444, 55, 6666, 7777, 8888 + 15xXs = 42 cuts = 42/46 = 91.3% up to 12/14/16/17/20pts with 222, 333, 444, 55, 6666, 7777 + 15xXs = 34 cuts.

2-3-4-K: Improves with AAAA, 222, 333, 444, 55, 6666, 8888, 9999 + 15xXs = 42 cuts = 42/46 = 91.3% up to 8/9/10/12pts with AAAA, 222, 333, 444, 55, KKK = 18 cuts.

4-5-5-K: Improves with AAAA, 333, 444, 55, 6666 + 15xXs = 31 cuts = 31/46 = 67.4% up to 10/12/14pts with AAAA, 333, 55, 6666 + 15xXs = 28 cuts.

Position:

As First Dealer we'll play Defense. Positional hole is 8pts but I'll try to score the average 16pts or more.

Pegging:

Playing Defense I think 2-3-4-K will peg best with 3 low cards and a high card.

Summary:

2-3-4-K has the best starting value by 1pt over 4-5-5-K and 2¼pts over 3-4-5-5. 3-4-5-5 and 2-3-4-K have the most cuts for improvement and although 3-4-5-5 has 34 cuts for 12-20pts I don't think it will catch up 2¼pts. 2-3-4-K has 18 cuts for 8-12pts and it should also peg well. So I'll throw the 5-5.
HalscribCLX
4412 votes

Joined: February 2008

   
Sunday 2:40 PM
At 0*-0 playing a Defense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:

_______________Pone's
Defense___Hand_Pegs____Crib_Total____W9 %____W10 %
2-3-4-K____7.93+(-2.15)+8.53=14.31____49.7____59.3
4-5-5-K____9.52+(-2.04)+6.63=14.11____48.2____58.7
3-4-5-5___12.48+(-2.26)+3.07=13.29____47.4____58.8
2-3-4-5H___8.48+(-2.04)+6.48=12.92____46.1____56.1

Defense_______L9 %____L10 %
2-3-4-K________27.6____17.7
4-5-5-K________25.7____17.8
3-4-5-5________25.7____17.6
2-3-4-5H_______28.7____20.4

2-3-4-K is best for expected averages by 0.20pt and is slightly best for Win %s. Although 4-5-5-K and 3-4-5-5 are lower for Loss %s even so I'll select 5-5 to discard.

After the A cut I'll play Defense to the lead.
JCM
728 votes

Joined: April 2019

   
Sunday 6:52 PM
This morning I had exactly this hand, and it was my crib, too. I had already voted, so I knew exactly what to do. The starter card wasn't of a lot of use to either hand or crib - but I did go on to win the game, anyway :-)