September 26, 2021

*** This hand was suggested by MiketheExpert
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Total votes: 184
JQT
4143 votes

Joined: October 2008

 
 
 
Sunday 3:05 AM
What's this seeming obsession with 9 Cards lately?!

It's reminiscent of that old, 1968 Beatles Song, "Revolution 9," whose lyrics go: "Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine..."

Oh, we spot a FLUSH in there, as well. The plot doth thicken.

The problem here is that if we do not Keep (2c 3c 5c 9c) and Toss (9 9), what, pray tell, do we do?

What Cut Card does NOT help the FLUSH? That's an exercise for the reader. Meanwhile, I'll Toss (9 9) in less than a heartbeat.

Since we have a Fender Bass in our little group here, today's musical selection harkens back to my teenage 'daze' of listening to the Jeff Beck Group and classic albums like "Truth" and one later released in 1972 now known as The Orange Album, with blues classics on it such as "Going Down."

One of Beck's classic songs from a later album titled "Blow by Blow" is a song 'in the key of love and lamenting,' C-minor, which was composed originally by Stevie Wonder and somewhat inauspiciously called, "Cause We've Ended as Lovers" in 1974. Wonder's former wife, Syreeta Wright, even performed the song with the original lyrics in 1974. Jeff Beck released "Blow by Blow" and stripped the song of its lyrics, and recorded "Cause We've Ended as Lovers" with a credit to his friend, Stevie, just a year later, in 1975. Syreeta died at age fifty-seven in 2004. The song lives on.

About three decades and one year later after "Blow by Blow," perhaps in an effort to see just how much guitar talent a single stage could support, Jeff Beck invited an Australian Sensation, a young (barely age twenty-one at the time) guitar player and singer, Tal Wilkenfeld, to join him and play live in concert, including the very difficult and critically-important bass guitar solo section of this now-classic song. (That's a little bit like allowing a Little League star female player to pitch several innings of a World Series Playoff Game!) At this time, Tal had been concentrating all of her effort on the bass guitar, and for fewer than five years!

And yet she was more than up to the task.

Entire performances with Tal, and the original "Blow by Blow" album with all of its songs, are all easily found online; and both the new and old, it's ALL material very much worth listening to and watching today.

The video of this particular song performance itself appears to have been superbly reprocessed and rendered in order to almost appear as if it's in high-definition, which was not even available at the time, as I believe it was in 2008 when this was recorded. The older, grainier version has over 8 million views, but I like how the video was improved in this more-recently posted version.

We can only imagine the discussion the smiling, young, effervescent, curly-haired Aussie girl's parents had with their then twenty-one-year-old daughter, who years earlier had dropped out of high school at age fourteen, in order to concentrate on learning to better play the guitar: "Did you say he was forty-two?" and then, as she prepared to leave the Australian Continent, she must have replied, "No, mom, he's forty-two years OLDER than I am."

If you enjoy instrumental rock guitar music with a jazz-fusion synthesis, and if you've not seen this performance before, you're in for a real treat: https://youtu.be/25q8nWZQGaQ
JQT says: With that Coveted Queen of Clubs Cut, we quickly went from a Foolhardy Four Points up to a Nifty Nine Points; I haven't seen gains like that (other than maybe my Moderna Stock!).
Eolus619 says: For someone of Beck’s talent and stature to provide this opportunity for her to solo and then show genuine unbridled appreciation for her play is the best part of this video for me. The world is always better when adults nurture the youth in a positive and supportive manner. It changes lives. Vinnie , the drummer, is acknowledging her talent too. thx for posting.
Eolus619 says: btw…As to influencing…think of how many talented electric guitar players when young, , after hearing Les Paul play “How high the moon” said to themselves ..I want to be able to play like that & set off on their journey to do it.
james500
3920 votes

Joined: June 2013

 
 
 
Sunday 3:21 AM
Do you recommend that I lead something from the 9-5-2 sixteen, or play the 3 which is covered by the 2 and the 9 if their reply is an X or another 3?
JQT says: It might be possible to justify any card to be led here. I would probably lead the 9 Card, in order to attempt to maximize our pegging, but the Deuce is probably also good. Staying within the three-card "Sweet Sixteen" of 2-5-9 is a good idea, and I like keeping the Deuce and Trey until the Count gets over Twenty-Two, when we might 'nab' a RUN or a PAIR. If the 9 Card Lead gets PAIRED by the 'Case' 9 Card, that would be embarrassing, but better that it show up in the Dealer's Hand rather than the Crib! Also, a 9 Card Lead sometimes will 'snag' a Trey reply from the Dealer, who figures we would have led a Trey if we had one!
dec
6355 votes

Joined: April 2008

 
 
 
Sunday 4:00 AM
Keep the flush points. The nine lead will elicit sometimes a King or Queen response also. dec
Eolus619 says: thx for your insight on leading a nine. A trey would have been my go to lead ..now food for a great deal,of thought
dec says: 9-K-3-5-4 or 9-K-3-A-5-2 go and last play. dec
mfetchCT425
1396 votes

Joined: February 2009

 
 
 
Sunday 5:45 AM
Keeping the flush today. Every cut will improve our hand and I much rather toss 9-9 vs 2-3.
Gougie00
5727 votes

Joined: March 2008

 
 
 
Sunday 6:20 AM
The crib still might go *BOOM* but 99 seems the least dangerous. Lead the 3
MiketheExpert
1119 votes

Joined: April 2021

 
 
 
Sunday 6:30 AM
"As" with the crowd above..I recently did have this starting hand on a game of e-cribbage, and I could see no way out other than to toss (9 9)...At least there is no cut which will not improve this hand, thought it might be somewhat embarrassing if a 6 or 9 gets cut. Would I even consider starting with 6 pts and tossing anything else?? Certainly not (2 3). Briefly thought about the oil and water toss of (2 5), which is what I WOULD have tossed if you had replaced the 9 of CLUBS with the 9 of DIAMONDS..In that case, I will start with 6 points rather than NO points. As for the opening lead, I have a preference for the 3, because of all the responsed which are covered although it is not from the sweet 6 group of 2-5-9. If I did not lead the 3, my next choice would be the 9 from this group of three.
MiketheExpert says: I believe I only gave up a 2-pt crib even after my pair of 9's toss, and so this ended up clearly being the right decision!
Eolus619
1339 votes

Joined: June 2020

 
 
 
Sunday 7:12 AM
Pairs are an interesting aspect to this game of ours. Across the board 11/13 average 6+. But since this is an average they can earn just two or a lot more than six. Today I see no better alternative than 9-9. Also, it leaves a keep that gets cut help from 13/13 ranks.
james500 says: Hi Bruce, hope you're well. You say that 11 of the 13 pairs average 6 or more points to our opponent. What are the two that don't? I would guess Kings and Queens?
Eolus619 says: hello James..you are correct!…
Fender Bass
373 votes

Joined: July 2021

 
 
 
Sunday 7:35 AM
Pretty easy choice
oc
78 votes

Joined: September 2021

 
 
 
Sunday 7:55 AM
It's our opening hand as pone and it looks like there are a few different options. The main ones seem to be: (1) keep the triple 9 (for 6 points with +6 on 6 or A/3/4 cut), (2) keep the flush (for 4 points with +4 on any ten cut and +6 on a 4 cut) or (3) to throw something safe away like a (2 9) or (3 9).

If we were desparate to score big, I think (1) makes the most sense. And if you wanted to score really big, why not keep (3 9 9 9) and cut a 3! After the cut, (2)'s score very consistently improves and (9 9) isn't the worst pair to give to our opponent especially if we can dodge 6's and (7 8). For option (3), we give very little to the dealer's crib but we also leave very little for ourselves. If I wanted to defend option (3), which I don't, I would say that we should begin the process of slowing down the dealer as early as possible to try get a positional advantage. But, of course, that only works if we're getting score of our own.

From the playing side, keeping the flush is nice with a wide variety of numbers. And we have a pleasant 3 lead which is backed up by the 9 and 2. However, trying to play devil's advocate, I think that a hand like (3 9 9 9) doesn't give away too many points on the play. Most of the time we're fine and might even get a point or two from a 15 or go.

Overall I like how the flush scores, how it plays and how it looks! It's a shame to give away a pair but it seems to be a necessary evil here since our score needs to get moving.
fentesk
1200 votes

Joined: January 2021

 
 
 
Sunday 7:56 AM
Looks like we have the flush or the three nines to choose from today. If keeping the nines, we have to pick two of 2-3-5 to discard. If there was no flush, it's probably 2-5 and has me feeling a lot worse about this hand.

Instead, we can send over the 9s/9h and keep a minimum of 6 points (all cuts help). Sometimes there are hands where the suit choice of the discard doesn't matter, today that is definitely not the case!

I'll lead the remaining 9 today and aim to pick up any points and move as far down the board as possible.
horus93
1281 votes

Joined: December 2017

 
 
 
Sunday 10:49 AM
The biggest myth among cribbage experts is that first pone should always play offense reflexively.

With bad cards it is better to play *defense* at 0-0*. The logic is simple: would you rather be at 8*-18 next hand, or 5*-11? Clearly the second position is preferable by far.

If you don't understand why, consider the analogous third/fourth street positions. Would you rather be at 86*-96 or 83*-89? This is basic 26/25 theory and the second position has substantially better odds of winning.

Now, there is something to the notion that, this early in the game, position should not be given excessive weight. But with these cards the 9-9 is simply not worth it.
horus93 says: Of course these cards aren't really *bad*, but they're not all that great either. They're not likely to actually put much of a dent in our positional deficit. But being a little cautious will prevent opponent's positional surplus from growing greater
MiketheExpert says: Had I not been able to keep the flush, (replacing the 9c with a 9d), then for me it would have been between the toss of (2 9) and the toss of (2 5). But giving up too much hand potential for me, imo by not keeping the flush.
joekayak
1873 votes

Joined: May 2016

 
 
 
Sunday 11:13 AM
99 OFf YOU GO. WILL NOT TOSS A 5 FROM THIS HAND. WIL NOT TOSS 2-3 FROM THIS HAND. ALL OTHER EQUALY UNPALATABLE. LEFT WITH 99. EVERY CUT HELPS. LEAD THE 3.
Coeurdelion
5592 votes

Joined: October 2007

 
 
 
Sunday 1:53 PM
I think it's between 2-3-5-9C (9-9) and 5-9-9-9 (2-3) plus 2-9-9-9 (3-5) and 3-9-9-9 (2-5):

2-3-5-9C: 4pts - 6¼pts (Schell: 6.39) = -2¼pts

5-9-9-9: 6pts - 7½pts (Schell: 7.33) = -1½pts

2-9-9-9: 6pts - 6¾pts (Schell: 6.78) = -¾pt

3-9-9-9: 6pts - 6¼pts (Schell: 6.11) = -¼pt

Potential:

2-3-5-9C: Improves with AAAA, 222, 333, 4444, 555, 6666, 7777, 8888, 9 + 16xXs = 46 cuts = 46/46 = 100.0% up to 8/10/11pts with AAAA, 333, 4444, 555 + 16xXs = 30 cuts. Plus 9 clubs for 1pt extra for the flush = 9/46 = 0.20pt.

5-9-9-9: Improves with AAAA, 555, 6666, 9 + 16xXs = 28 cuts = 28/46 = 60.9% up to 12pts with AAAA, 6666, 9 = 9 cuts.

2-9-9-9: Improves with 222, 4444, 6666, 9 = 12 cuts = 12/46 = 26.1% up to 12pts with 4444, 6666, 9 = 9 cuts.

3-9-9-9: Improves with 333, 6666, 9 = 8 cuts = 8/46 = 17.4% up to 12/14pts with all cuts.

Position:

As First Pone I'll play Offense and try to reach positional hole at 18pts or more.

Pegging:

2-3-5-9C should peg best playing Offense and will be hard to read.

Summary:

3-9-9-9 has the best starting value by 2pts over the flush. However 2-3-5-9C has guaranteed improvement and 30 cuts for 8-11pts. Also it has an extra 0.20pt potential for a club cut plus it should peg very well. So I think it may well catch up the 2pts therefore I'll throw 9S-9H.
HalscribCLX
5315 votes

Joined: February 2008

 
 
 
Sunday 2:09 PM
At 0-0* playing an Offense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:

_______________Our
Offense___Hand_Pegs__Crib___Total___W9 %____W10 %
2-3-5-9C___7.93+2.07+(-5.89)=4.11____27.9____22.8
3-9-9-9____7.17+1.20+(-6.38)=1.99____22.9____19.8
3-5-9-9*___4.43+1.46+(-4.29)=1.60____21.3____20.7
2-5-9-9*___4.26+1.59+(-4.26)=1.59____19.4____19.0
5-9-9-9____8.00+0.98+(-7.48)=1.50____24.1____18.7
2-9-9-9____7.30+0.87+(-7.01)=1.16____22.0____18.1

Offense______L9 %____L10 %
2-3-5-9C______42.8____53.0
3-9-9-9_______40.8____54.9
3-5-9-9*______36.6____52.2
2-5-9-9*______37.3____53.8
5-9-9-9_______44.6____57.1
2-9-9-9_______42.8____57.1

* unsuited discard

2-3-5-9C is best for expected averages by 2.12pts and is very much best for Win %s and although it is quite high for Loss %s I'll select 9S-9H to discard.

After the QC cut I'll lead the 9 and play Offense:

Lead__________________Our Pegging Pts.
9__________________________2.08
2__________________________2.03
5__________________________1.90
3__________________________1.87
SallyAnn3
907 votes

Joined: March 2020

 
 
 
Sunday 3:17 PM
Echo!
Andy (muesli64)
2223 votes

Joined: August 2009

 
 
 
Sunday 3:18 PM
We all agree.
Ras2829
5151 votes

Joined: November 2008

 
 
 
Sunday 9:43 PM
Nice being back although a week with, son, spouse, three grand children and their mates, and 7 precious great-grand children in the mountains of Central Oregon was golden. As n/d of first hand in game, it's off., off., off from the outset. That determines holding the flush which has numerous cuts for improvement for a greater hand value and superior pegging potential. Lead the 9 and take pegs as offered.
fentesk says: Sounds like a wonderful trip. It's great to have you back. In case you look back and see this, do you have any thoughts on how good of a first deal would have you considering offense as dealer?
Ras2829 says: Hi fentesk: Thanks and always nice to return to the cribbage fold. The best offense on opening hand for dealer is defense. I base this primarily on results in a large Grass Roots club over several years. I always led in skunk wins and never deviated from positional needs. Those who varied and pushed offense which might lead to a skunk, had less skunk wins. For me, it was defense on hand one as dealer to include the pegging. Occasionally, dealer just has to go with some offense as both players have similar cards. Dealer needs to grab what he can sometimes, especially so if both have mid-cards.
fentesk says: Excellent, thanks for the response. I can safely put that "worry" about being too defensive to bed!