October 12, 2021

*** This hand was suggested by joekayak
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Total votes: 220
james500
3018 votes

Joined: June 2013

   
Tuesday 3:14 AM
I think it's worth holding two points fewer in hand in order to discard 5_5 rather than 4_5c.
mrob2199
793 votes

Joined: February 2009

   
Tuesday 3:17 AM
Tough call on this one but I’m going to go for the big 6 cut here-and it’s always a possibility we can peg 9 points with our fives if dealer has pictures with a 5-or 6 if he just has pictures-so those aspects must be included in our decision making here
JQT
3244 votes

Joined: October 2008

   
Tuesday 3:24 AM
First Dealer, let's go, and let's mix it up! There's a Psychological Factor possibly at play here if we can bring ourselves to Toss (5 5), which has a Crib Value close to Nine Points, into our First Crib of the Game.

The PAIR of 5 Cards "Down Under" would ostensibly therefore start us off with around a Dozen Points 'static' hopefulness (and prior to the Cut Card), which is a fairly healthy baseline.

Other ideas include the more prosaic-looking Toss (4 5) or Toss (8 9), the former of which I do like, and the latter of which I at least find very intriguing.

I'm initially drawn like a moth to the Toss (5 5) flame, that irrepressible, indefatigable beacon, or "light at the end of the tunnel" of Our Crib; and if we do go there, we would just have to hope that it's not the proverbial train coming the other way (which I guess might be the risk of a Two-Point Crib), or that the warm glow of its distant but inviting light is maybe after all just a Flickering Flame of Dismal Deceit and Death! But nevertheless; some will risk it!

And so: do we Toss (5 5) and Come-What-May? Or do we take on the more nuanced approach, and either Toss (4 5) or Toss (8 9) today? The Toss (8 9), as I intimated earlier, has quite a bit of intrigue and mystique surrounding it, and it would entail keeping our 4-5-5 "energy" all in one place.

But I believe I shall find the "middle ground" discard of Toss (4 5) the best idea today, as it "spreads the '5 Card Love' around" like no other discard.

After the 9 Card Cut, we have Ten Points in our Hand, and Lord-Knows-What in our Crib: but please let it be greater than just Two Points!
dec
5415 votes

Joined: April 2008

   
Tuesday 3:49 AM
Potential for 16-14 in main hand my choice here. dec
Rosemarie44
1979 votes

Joined: March 2016

   
Tuesday 3:57 AM
Prefer a suited 4-5 in my crib than 8-9 and I get to keep a 5 in my hand with this decision. What's not to like?
glmccuskey
3472 votes

Joined: April 2011

   
Tuesday 4:57 AM
4-5 is a top ten discard.
Eolus619
505 votes

Joined: June 2020

   
Tuesday 5:15 AM
At some point in my cribbage journey , I may actually come to understand the big hand sacrifice rule & apply it properly. So here I go again. You can toss 5-5 and sacrifice four points if the remaining keep can cut to 12 points.
zeke76
1051 votes

Joined: August 2018

   
Tuesday 5:31 AM
I like double nickels in the crib, but this hand is above my paygrade so I’m interested in seeing what everyone says.
Ras2829
4256 votes

Joined: November 2008

   
Tuesday 6:02 AM
Choosing defense all the way to include the pegging, discarding suited 4-5 has a very slight advantage(larger crib and slightly better peg avoidance). Would play off the lead although will always dump a lone 5 to score 15-2 if a X-pointer led. Play off small card leads though would play the four spot on a deuce lead. On mid card leads would play the 9 on a six lead, 10 spot on a 7 lead, and play the four on 8 or 9 lead. Eolus offers a very strong clue as to why 5-5 is not the way to go with this hand. Check out the link. If you have further questions, E-mails are always welcome at raswino29@outlook.com.
Gougie00
4806 votes

Joined: March 2008

   
Tuesday 6:02 AM
I like that 455 together. The 9 certainly is a clunker cut. Had I known that, I would have tossed 55 in my crib.

Until we put the clocks back, its still dark at 7 am. Ugh, its fall.

mfetchCT425
977 votes

Joined: February 2009

   
Tuesday 6:31 AM
Like the big hand potential here. If it was 3-5-5-8-9-10 or 2-5-5-8-9-10, or A-5-5-8-9-10, I would have tossed the 5-5. I think the hand is compromised too much today if we hold 4-8-9-10 which only has a max of 8. Pegging potential should be greater with this hold as well as Rob explains so well above.
MiketheExpert
208 votes

Joined: April 2021

   
Tuesday 6:52 AM
Close decision here....but not between the two discards you'd think. I was debating between the (4c 5c) and the (8d 9d). Don't get me wrong, tossing (5 5) is usually never a bad idea, and here I would be hard-pressed to call this the WRONG decision on first hand. However, I'm leaving myself with only a maximum potential score of 8 in the hand (which I would have gotten on today's cut), and as great as (5 5) is, it still only leaves you with a guaranteed 2 pts in the crib.

It is easiest to see the fallacy behind this when you look at the potential of (4 5 5 10), which STARTS with 6 pts and has potential to INCREASE to 16 pts...Then, the (5 5) idea looks rather poor in comparison. But what about starting with only 1 less pt (5 8 9 10) and tossing the excellent (4c 5c) in comparison to this?...As I stated, I think it is actually a very close decision, and I can't fault for choosing either one in this scenario...The difference in crib toss value between the (4 5) and (8 9) and SLIGHTLY better defensive pegging prospects of (5 8 9 10) just tipped the scales in favour of the (4 5) toss for me...Good way to dump the lone five is by scoring 15 on any face card lead here..Nice lucky double-run cut with the 9, and now we're off to the races...!
Jazzselke
1911 votes

Joined: March 2009

   
Tuesday 7:08 AM
4 cards do not help the 45510- 2,7,8 9. However, 3 of those cards would help the 89 toss. With the potential of the 45510 hand, I like that added aspect of the hand/crib configuration. The 45 discard would be my close second choice.
Fender Bass
114 votes

Joined: July 2021

   
Tuesday 7:14 AM
In for a penny in for a pound. Let's throw both 5's and hope our opponent throws some X's in our crib. Also, keeping the double run possible.
SallyAnn3
485 votes

Joined: March 2020

   
Tuesday 7:27 AM
I went with RAS' big hand rule, and Gary's logic.
wasa
2129 votes

Joined: November 2014

   
Tuesday 8:10 AM
#1 toss of 5-5 to my crib. Cut helps my hand but not sure about the crib. First dealer in theory is defence so only take safe pegging points.
fentesk
310 votes

Joined: January 2021

   
Tuesday 10:20 AM
I came down to the 4-5 or 8-9. I know 5-5 is a crib superstar, but it looks like here I'm better spreading the 5 wealth around. If it were a smaller run (A-2-3), or a run containing a 15 (7-8-9) I might have gone 5-5, but 8-9-10 doesn't wow me.

The choice of 4-5 over 8-9 came down to wanting guaranteed points from hand and crib. I'm dealing first and playing defense and don't want to strike out in the crib at the same time I'm bypassing pegging points. I checked my calculated values after selecting, it looks like 8-9 score 2 or fewer ~35% of the time in own crib compared to 7.6% for 4-5 (which aren't terribly far off from values Ras has shared in his course notes.)

I'll take the 9 cut and defensively peg.