December 6, 2023

*** This hand was suggested by Gougie00
104-110*  ?
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Total votes: 274
Gougie00Time to bet the farm? Toss 44 and shoot for a 5 or a Q? Hold the 445 and pray for a 6? What's the call?
james500

Joined: June 2013 (4293 votes)

Wednesday 3:52 AM
Eight nines and Queens, eight threes and sixes. More points pre cut this way though.
Gougie00

Joined: March 2008 (6117 votes)

Wednesday 4:34 AM
I chose poorly
zeke76

Joined: August 2018 (1531 votes)

Wednesday 5:33 AM
Gambled the wrong way. What a gut punch of a cut!
JQT

Joined: October 2008 (4462 votes)

Wednesday 5:44 AM
We need Seventeen Points as Pone to WIN, otherwise the Dealer at Hole 110 is virtually certain to defeat us. Therefore, what we place in the Enemy Crib does not matter.

(4 4 5 J) has only Four Cuts (6666) for a big payoff, while (5 T T J) has a Dozen Cuts (555, TT, JJJ, QQQQ) for a similarly large payoff, so it's not even close; Toss (4 4) has three times as much chance of allowing us a VICTORY.

Let's Toss (4 4) today.

After the 6 Card Cut, we would need to peg Nine Holes in order to WIN. Let's peg all we can to minimize Spread Points by which we are certain to LOSE. Lead the 5 Card.
horus93

Joined: December 2017 (1330 votes)

Wednesday 5:57 AM
Cool, a Gougie puzzle.

The keep that starts with most, usually improves the most. When shooting for max, at a score like this, of course potential for double runs and 4456 and whatnot can throw the calculus. But when one keep starts with four, one with 8, and the one with 8 has plenty of double run potential...

Scope for defense is 0 because even if by some crazy stroke of fate this goes to an extra hand, we need to be in peg-out range, which requires ~14 points in hand+pegging.

Damn, there’s that six cut I was betting against. I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, the “theoretically optimal play” in cribbage not only doesn’t work well, but actively screws you over a substantial minority of the time.

Rather than go for spread points, I like to try to pull off a crazy one-in-a-million win, because sometimes it works, and that’s a lot more exciting to me than losing by a couple fewer points. There are other reasons to not like spread points too, and I thought some of the arguments proposed in their favor recently were rather specious, but I’ll leave that alone. So I will play desperation defense and lead the ten of diamonds. This configuration is probably worth faking a flush with, and I’m slightly more likely to try to dump my five next than play a Jack, pretty much a tossup between Td and Th though, worth one game in a million.

This is a game I played against one of the better players on cardgames.io, someone who goes by “Denmark”. If he actually IS from that country, given how unpopular our little hobby is there, he might well be the best crib player in all the realm. The ranking system on cardgames.io is non-existent, but I run into him all the time, he always plays well, or at least is no more mistake-prone than I am, and I have terrible luck against him too. I’d say he wins like 75% against me over the maybe three dozen games we’ve played over the last couple of years. Indeed, one of the reasons I decided to annotate a game with him was to study his play habits more closely. This game went to nine deals.

I won the cut, so we start at 0*-0.

I dealt myself 788TJK – easy discard, throw the touching TJ in the crib. The odds of a run to a 9 cut tossing the JK don’t outweigh the substantial superiority of TJ to JK as a crib toss.

Denmark also had an easy call, tossing 63 to hold 5TJQ.

The cut was the right nine, so I have a 12 point hand and 9TJ?? In the crib. Certainly max defense is called for. Not breaking any molds this game. So it’s me dealer with 788K vs Denmark as pone with 5TJQ.

Pegging went: Q-8(18)-J(28-1)//8-5(13)-K(23)-“go”-7(30-1)//T(10-1)

Denmark led a Q, I don’t think I’m courting much controversy in saying that a five lead would have been better. I play an eight, first because I have two of them, second because it drives up the count more.

When he got a “go” with his Jack, I of course think he has a five, and the eight has fewer losers absolutely speaking anyway. So pretty simple call to lead the 8. The rest of the play was unremarkable. Holding him to two points, could have been worse. My crib did pretty well, 369TJ.

2.) 19-12*

Positional dynamics haven’t changed all that much at +13/-4 vs +11/-6 at 0*-0, and I’m basically leaning toward defense.

Denmark dealt me A5688T. I think tossing 5T to hold A688 is out of the question at this score, so I threw A6 to hold the four-point 588T. A6 isn’t much of a balk in normal circumstances, but with two eights out of circulation it’s on par with something like 8J or A9.

Denmark held 2459TQ and made a smart discard, 5Q. This is best for hand+crib – when in doubt, face five, right? However, tossing 24 to hold 59TQ is only 0.2 worse in hand+crib, and having a five in hand is certainly worth something on offense, so I think it’s close to a toss-up between those two.

The cut was a 2. Happy to see that, I didn’t like holding only 4. Now I can certainly afford max defense in the pegging. So it’s me as pone with 588T vs Denmark as dealer with 249T.

This went: 8-4(12)-8(20)-T(30-1)//T-2(12)-5(17)-9(26-1)

8 lead is obvious. To his four response – “anything but a X” is a good rule of thumb in the pegging, I think, all else being equal, because Xs are so common that this is often enough what oppo wants you to play. And indeed here he did have a 9, so it would have given up a 31.

Leading the ten in the second series – straightforward, I’d hardly lead my five even though it would dodge a trap once in a while. And since Denmark’s *second* card played was a T, I felt there was some bias against his holding a pair of them. So pegging went about as well as could be hoped, yet again I only gave up a go and last.

Denmark’s crib was a disappointment – only two at A256Q. So things are looking pretty good next hand at… 27*-22, +11/-10.

glmccuskey

Joined: April 2011 (4455 votes)

Wednesday 5:57 AM
Not much of a decision.
dph

Joined: February 2021 (1208 votes)

Wednesday 6:57 AM
How far back do we need to push the dealer's front peg before we decide *not* to give him the pair of 4s? Or, will we still try for our own big hand anyway?

If this score were 104-98*, I'd throw 4-J and hope that dealer has a poor hand.
Eolus619 says: dph..thx for your thoughts on board position..CHOD could use more of observations like this..keep um coming!
Eolus619

Joined: June 2020 (1707 votes)

Wednesday 6:57 AM
Well Gougie00..4-4 is the path today..but with a six cut , the cribbage fairy has left the building
wasa

Joined: November 2014 (3346 votes)

Wednesday 8:26 AM
As others say, more cuts this way to get close
dec

Joined: April 2008 (6803 votes)

Wednesday 8:42 AM
6 1/2 - 1 to hold dealer to ten points and might be well short still for us. So instead of playing a hunch ( 4 sixes ) I will go for game hole or close with 5 9 10 J Q cuts. Understand desperation here. dec
Eolus619 says: hi dec..see you have been in the top ten ecrib non ACC ratings for awhile..well done..& also to Mike Fetch...good top ten ranking too
Sgt Pegger

Joined: July 2017 (634 votes)

Wednesday 9:12 AM
Looks like I have to be the lonely soldier here today.

Tuff call for me here, but I have to split the 4's and work this through calmly and methodically. In this particular case, I did ok with my pick.
My logic on this one, involves reasoning through the options while holding the 4,5,10,10 and I'm not real worried about the 4/J toss to the pone's crib.
So, it looks like I netted 11 points and if I can peg 1-2, I will be sitting within my "peg-out" range of 6. Assuming the dealer does go out on us I like my chances with this hold versus the "herd". Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd rather have my hold/hand than tossing the pair of 4's into the jaws of victory for the pone..... sorry I mean the Crib.
horus93 says: You get points for creativity for sure. Hard to say just how far back dealer'd have to be for me to cut this way... i find it hard to peg 6 tho, in endgames. I think this'd be a very hard puzzle at a diff score. Anyway thanks for breaking the echo chamber
Sgt Pegger says: I have a friend let's just say his name might rhyme with Jim Langley. Anyway.... I threw-down a challenge with him about a year before he went on his record setting pace for a couple of years. Now, I'm NOT going to even try to even for a moment take any credit for his abilities.....however, Jim and I have chatted since that time, and he does clearly remember my challenge to him. A little history for context. I used to practice playing 1 point out as the dealer and then as the pone and me and my traveling "cribbage wife" would practice this technique of moving our pegs backwards up the board from 1 point out.... all the way back to hole 94. We learned how to hold the cards and peg the snot out of each other. My challenge to Jim? I bet him $5.00 that I could peg at least 30 points against him in a single game. I pegged 34 and I saw Jim's "gears" churning at an incredible rate in that moment. I have other friends that treat it like a golf game. They try to pitch to within 10 feet of the hole for a makable putt. For me and cribbage, I try to get under 10 points from going out. To me, I believe it is possible, with this hand, to not only get within 6 points....but actually grab those 6 points in this round! By the way.... I bet 5 with Jim on the game at the same time. So, I "pushed" overall with him. But I also proved my point! See-ya in the play-offs 😉
RubyTuesday

Joined: January 2019 (1195 votes)

Wednesday 10:36 AM
I thought of throwing a 4 and something else but ended up giving my opponent both 4s. I know we’re not supposed to judge throws by the turn-up, bout today I did.
RubyTuesday

Joined: January 2019 (1195 votes)

Wednesday 10:37 AM
I was so upset that I misspelt ‘but’.
MiketheExpert

Joined: April 2021 (1318 votes)

Wednesday 10:56 AM
It's the all or nothing cut today for sure - of course the miserable 6 is cut, which in no way means we should've kept it any other way...Let's try and earn a few pegs to minimize the spread point loss. We have 5/13 possible face card responses to which we can score 2 points, which is a likely response to our 5 lead, and the same number of scoring responses by dealer (5) if we lead one of our 10's, which dealer is less likely to play - so I'll lead a 5, but clearly this matters only in games in which spread points may be key.
MiketheExpert says: If you're playing a complete newbie to the game, who may in fact decide to pair your 10 lead, by all means go for it!
Coeurdelion

Joined: October 2007 (5766 votes)

Wednesday 2:02 PM
We need 17pts to go out. 5-10-10-J (4-4) has two cuts for 17pts (5H, QH), five more for 16pts (55, QQQ), one for 15pts (9H) and five more for 14pts (999, 1010). So I think this will give us the best chance of winning therefore I'll throw the 4-4.
HalscribCLX

Joined: February 2008 (5652 votes)

Wednesday 2:04 PM
At 104-110* playing an Offense strategy for the pegging the Win/Loss %s are:

Offense__________Win %______Loss %
5-10-10-J_________20.9_______79.1
4-4-5-J____________4.5_______83.2
4-4-5-10___________4.2_______78.6
4-5-10-10__________1.4_______74.1
4-5-10-J___________0.3_______74.0

5-10-10-J is very much the best for Win % although significantly higher for Loss %s because of the risk of the 4-4. Even so I'll select the 4-4 to discard.

After the 6 cut I'll lead a 10 and play Offense:

Lead_________Our Pegging Points
10__________________1.30
J___________________1.28
5___________________1.22
Ras2829

Joined: November 2008 (5496 votes)

Wednesday 3:05 PM
With dealer needing 11 points to win and first count on the next deal, there is no reason to consider anything other than holding the cards with the greatest potential value. N/D has several ways to score from 14-17 points; keep all those scoring avenues open. Lead 10H and take any pegs offered. HalscribCLX says it all for me.