May 13, 2024

*** This hand was suggested by Ras2829
22*-23  ?
Total votes: 262
207 votes

Joined: January 2010

Monday 3:33 AM
Putting the 10s in the crib gives the same starting points. Hopefully the 6 will create some options.
5762 votes

Joined: March 2008

Monday 3:34 AM
Another meh hand. I will hold the AA and hope to parlay them.
6392 votes

Joined: April 2008

Monday 3:46 AM
I will go with the eight to twelve potential option.dec
3954 votes

Joined: June 2013

Monday 4:06 AM
I want the Aces in hand. Hopefully I can get them in back to back at a high count.
My opponent is unlikely to give me a 5 or a Jack, so 10-10 may not increase much above the two points it starts with.
I'm left with the Imperial walker then, AT-AT. Anything that Q6 does is a bonus.
4127 votes

Joined: April 2011

Monday 4:34 AM
I think this is the best way to get my aces in at the end of the pegging sequence.
1463 votes

Joined: February 2009

Monday 4:41 AM
I’m with Gary today-it’s a horrible hand so I’m just looking for more ways to marginally improve it- don’t want to put all my eggs in the AA10 10 basket
44 votes

Joined: April 2024

Monday 5:16 AM
I’m going with 6-10-10-Q. Maybe we get lucky and see a J cut! Would turn a garbage hand into a nice 8 plus heels for 2. Hopefully we see an 8 in the crib from our opponent as well.

It was down to my hand or A-A-6-Q, which gives us a magic 11 in the hand. Depending on whether you value higher hand upside or pegging capabilities, both seem like viable options to me 👍
1304 votes

Joined: January 2012

Monday 5:33 AM
With Gary here, will try to run my aces.
SallyAnn3 says: Congrats on your Grand Slam!
1373 votes

Joined: June 2020

Monday 5:37 AM

hmmmm..not in the Rob/Gary camp. Usually not good. Since I am not sure what to do & few cuts help any keep ( mine has 12) I went with 6-Q to try to link up with some of Pone’s most frequent discards (& keep the Aces for pegging. ) Possible help from K-9…A-Q…Q-7…Q-8….2-9…K-6…I realize seeing two Aces and a Q makes some of these less likely. This puzzle also makes a review of Ras’s list of best Pone discards to minimize crib points worthwhile ..not only to see the list from Pone’s perspective but to also see how Dealer , when cards allow it, can take advantage of Pone’s attempt to balk.
AND a btw ..a pair of tens does not make Ras’s three groups of “productive” dealer discards to own crib.
2608 votes

Joined: March 2009

Monday 5:40 AM
When holding a combined 6 or less keeping the aces in the hand seems like a good strategy. Holding the 2 pair here involves throwing garbage to the crib. So 1010 it is.
SallyAnn3 says: Great tip :)
Jazzselke says: Learned it from a very wise man on this site!
1153 votes

Joined: April 2021

Monday 5:57 AM
Not a huge fan of high pairs in the crib, but (6 Q) is much worse. 6 doesn't mesh all that well in the hand, but still get some modest improvement from cuts 6-9, and the 10's could catch something here as well. Between (6 Q) and (A A) to the crib, I'd likely keep the A's in my hand.
466 votes

Joined: December 2020

Monday 6:00 AM
Two pair puzzle.... Typically I default to keeping the two pairs in my hand unless there was a compellilng play. I did not see such a play and dispite concern I will end up with a weak crib, kept the two pairs.
Checking Liam I was surprised 6-Q had the same expected outcome as tossing the two aces. Lead a ace?
Ras2829 says: Hi sterno: Hang on to those Aces. Don't let n/d with the lead know you have them.
3048 votes

Joined: November 2014

Monday 6:05 AM
no matter what I do, the 6 does not fit in my hand so it goes. Not really interested in keeping the T-T-Q together for a J cut, so the Q goes to by process of elimination.

Maybe I'll learn something today.
wasa says: *too
933 votes

Joined: March 2020

Monday 7:30 AM
I'm a loner today. Went with the possible run in hand, and suited A/6 for som
e hope in the crib.

****Happy Birthday to farleysma!
936 votes

Joined: January 2019

Monday 12:09 PM
I thought of throwing 6 Q and then decided to (foolishly?) give my crib a pair of aces instead because I thought (foolishly?) that they’d be more use there.
1424 votes

Joined: February 2009

Monday 12:46 PM
Keeping hand intact today for chances of 8 or 12 with the right cuts. I’m not enamored with the pair of 10s in my crib- low probability pone will toss cards that will help, I.e., 5s or Js. We can still look to utilize our aces in the pegging even with the two 10s.
Ras2829 says: Hi mfetchCT425: Like your thinking as is often the case.
5624 votes

Joined: October 2007

Monday 2:11 PM
I think we have to look at 6-10-10-Q (A-A), A-A-6-Q (10-10) and A-A-10-10 (6-Q):

6-10-10-Q: 2pts + 5¼pts (Schell: 5.38) = 7¼pts

A-A-6-Q: 2pts + 4¾pts (Schell: 4.76) = 6¾pts

A-A-10-10: 4pts + 3¼pts (Schell: 3.23) = 7¼pts


6-10-10-Q: Improves with 5555, 666, 9999, 1010, JJJJ, QQ = 19 cuts = 19/46 = 41.3% up to 6/8pts with 5555, 1010, JJJJ = 10 cuts.

A-A-6-Q: Improves with AA, 3333, 4444, 5555, 666, 7777, 8888, 9999, QQQ = 32 cuts = 32/46 = 69.6% up to 6pts with AA, 4444, 8888 = 10 cuts.

A-A-10-10: Improves with AA, 3333, 4444, 5555, 1010 = 16 cuts = 34.8% up to 8/12pts with all cuts.


It looks as if we both scored poorly after two deals. If we were First Dealer then we still have positional advantage but our target is 34pts or beyond which is 12pts+ away. So I'll play cautious offense.


I think A-A-6-Q will peg best but A-A-10-10 should also peg well.


6-10-10-Q and A-A-10-10 are better for starting value by ½pt over A-A-6-Q and although A-A-6-Q has most cuts for improvement A-A-10-10 has 16 cuts for 8/12pts. So I'll throw the less than helpful 6-Q to my box.
5347 votes

Joined: February 2008

Monday 2:11 PM
At 22*-23 playing an Offense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:

Offense____Hand_Pegs_Crib_Total____W7 %____W8 %

Offense________L7 %____L8 %

A-A--10-10 is best for expected averages by a very slim 0.03pt. but its is also slightly best for Win %s and lowest for Loss %s. So I'll select the 6-Q to discard.

After the 6 cut I'll play Defense to the lead.
1517 votes

Joined: July 2016

Monday 7:16 PM
I'm leading the red 10. Unlike Hal, I see no reason to switch to defense.
Inushtuk1 says: Excuse me. I'm the Dealer. I should have said I will pair a 10 lead with my red 10.
5186 votes

Joined: November 2008

Monday 7:34 PM
In hands of a mere four points with X-X and a small pair, holding the 2 pairs gives a slight edge. Although the prospects for pegging are slim, would play on the lead if an Ace, 5, or ten spot. If no pegs gained in that manner, will hold A-A till end of pegging sequence. Hopefully n/d pitched 9-Q or 9-K, frequent choices. If so, we can take six points for a crib even though 6-Q discard is a real dud to own crib.
Inushtuk1 says: Hi Ras. Is that a rough rule of thumb for both Dealer, and n/d re four points with X-X and a small pair?
Ras2829 says: Hi Innushtuk1: Would be of even greater combined value if n/d and only four points in hand. Of course, would not be the case if mid cards were of high average as discards to opponent. ND in this case ought to feel really smug with discarding 6-Q and holding A-A-10-10. Pegging potential as usual is less for n/d as has to break a pair on lead.