September 2, 2024

*** This hand was suggested by Ras2829
12*-14  ?
35%
35%
19%
19%
15%
15%
11%
11%
6%
6%
4%
4%
3%
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1%
1%
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0%
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Total votes: 286
Gougie00

Joined: March 2008 (6001 votes)

Monday 3:42 AM
Yuck. Lousy cut.
james500

Joined: June 2013 (4181 votes)

Monday 3:42 AM
Split the run to put a 5 in the crib. 3-5 > A-4

Wordle 1,171 6/6

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dec

Joined: April 2008 (6670 votes)

Monday 4:18 AM
What the book recommends. Non dealer will they have to do 2-4 or forced to do 3-4. Luck of the draw. dec
usacoder

Joined: August 2019 (1062 votes)

Monday 4:23 AM
I go with Dec's book.
mrob2199

Joined: February 2009 (1572 votes)

Monday 5:25 AM
Echo today-can’t believe this hold is in second place
SallyAnn3 says: Well SuperStar, I am demoted to Rookie status again as I keep forgetting to do it this way. ugh
Assman

Joined: May 2024 (261 votes)

Monday 5:37 AM
I prefer having the 3-5 in my crib.
kal79

Joined: April 2024 (242 votes)

Monday 5:48 AM
5-Q for me today. Not a great looking hand this morning…the 3-4-5 double run could come to fruition…at the expense of our crib. I’m not willing to sabotage the crib at this point and will keep the K and three low cards to try and peg some. If our opponent has a dangling low card, we could try and make something out of the 3-4 on our second sequence.

I’ll admit I didn’t consider 3-5 as hard as I should’ve, but that is the clear alternative to 5-Q. Maintaining four points between hand and crib, plus a 5 in the crib is a good way to go this morning.
Jazzselke says: How about a combined 6?
Jazzselke says: ...unless you feel strongly about the pegging potential of A34K.
kal79 says: Hi Jazzselke…assuming your reference to the combined 6 includes the cut card? I should’ve been clearer, but I was referring to a combined 4 pre-cut.
kal79 says: Correct me if I’m missing something, but tossing 3-5 and 5-Q both start with a combined four points, but the 7 cut brings us to six combined, again with both hands. Very interesting results today, as the vast majority toss 3-5!
Inushtuk1 says: Hi kal79. What Dan means is that (3-5) starts with 4 in the hand, and a guaranteed 2 more in the Crib. (5-X) starts with 2 in the hand, plus 2 in the Crib.
kal79 says: That makes more sense. Thank you for clarifying!
Jazzselke

Joined: March 2009 (2754 votes)

Monday 5:58 AM
One of Ras's introductory hands. To a newer player, or at least when I was a newer player, seems counter-intuitive to break up the run.
SallyAnn3 says: Welome back! Counterintuitive is the perfect word for this, and exactly what I did lol
RubyTuesday

Joined: January 2019 (1115 votes)

Monday 5:59 AM
I like 3 5 in my crib. I’d have liked to keep the run, but needs must.
JQT

Joined: October 2008 (4347 votes)

Monday 6:24 AM
We shouldn't have to work on Labor Day.

Wordle 1,171 4/6 (In 2019 in Kuwait one sold for $53 million)

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SallyAnn3

Joined: March 2020 (1103 votes)

Monday 6:42 AM
I stillllllllllllll haven't gotten this etched in my mind! Maybe making this mistake will finally do the trick.

JQT says: When we are the Dealer holding a Run-of-Three, and it either begins or ends with a 5 Card, we can sometimes obtain more Combined Points if we place that 5 Card into our Crib.
SallyAnn3 says: Ahhhh...good point. Thanks,John!
Inushtuk1

Joined: July 2016 (1708 votes)

Monday 6:53 AM
I submitted this puzzle in August 2017. I learned my lesson. But there's not much difference in expected averages between four different discards. I will play offense to the lead after the 7 cut.
Inushtuk1 says: Where it gets interesting for the Dealer, is when the X-Cards are 10-J, or even better, J-Q.
Ras2829 says: Hi Inushtuk1: And it's taken me more than 7 years to catch up to your thinking of so long ago.
fentesk

Joined: January 2021 (1463 votes)

Monday 6:55 AM
Also stashing a 5 in the crib, and keeping four points (and coincidentally a 4 card) in hand.
MiketheExpert

Joined: April 2021 (1275 votes)

Monday 7:18 AM
Let's keep plugging along! Would there be situations where I might discard something different, such as (A4), (AK) or even (5K)? I'm sure there are, but I can't think of a good reason to stray away from here.
Eolus619

Joined: June 2020 (1591 votes)

Monday 8:02 AM
we play a game of choices…there is an axiom..as dealer sometimes the crib just gets the left over trash.. it’s good to know what left over trash looks like ..have a look at the values of dealer discards involving a K or Q…then remember the dealer gets to combine points from hand+ crib

http://www.cribbageforum.com/SchellDiscard.htm
wasa

Joined: November 2014 (3240 votes)

Monday 8:04 AM
Always want a 5 in my crib, and the 3 is a key connector card.
Cribsurfer

Joined: September 2016 (877 votes)

Monday 8:40 AM
I like the 3-5 in the crib.
asevenson

Joined: August 2011 (3136 votes)

Monday 9:33 AM
Should have put 3-5 in crib
MarktheShark

Joined: January 2024 (330 votes)

Monday 9:36 AM
An oft seen hand from Ras. He pitches 3-5. Chambers suggests A-X is stronger and is a better pegger. I mutated to Ras's way but have had no personal experiences with this hand at the table.
mfetchCT425

Joined: February 2009 (1523 votes)

Monday 11:15 AM
Much rather keep 6 combined points this way - 3-5 in the crib is much superior vs. A-K.
LoneStarPegger

Joined: January 2008 (846 votes)

Monday 11:28 AM
With the crowd.
HalscribCLX

Joined: February 2008 (5546 votes)

Monday 2:46 PM
t 12*-14 playing an Offense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:

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Offense___Hand_Pegs_Crib_Total____W8 %____W9 %
A-3-4-K____4.72+3.30+6.51=14.62____24.1____23.6
A-3-4-Q____4.72+3.41+6.47=14.60____24.1____23.6
3-4-5-Q____7.98+3.50+3.10=14.58____24.3____24.4
3-4-5-K____7.98+3.48+3.09=14.55____24.3____24.3
A-4-Q-K____6.17+2.39+5.79=14.35____24.9____26.5
3-5-Q-K____6.37+2.72+5.16=14.27____23.9____24.4

Offense_______L8 %____L9 %
A-3-4-K________36.9____51.9
A-3-4-Q________36.9____51.9
3-4-5-Q________36.1____51.0
3-4-5-K________36.1____51.0
A-4-Q-K________33.7____48.6
3-5-Q-K________35.8____50.9

A-3-4-K is best for expected averages by a slim margin while A-4-Q-K is slightly best for Win %s and lowest for Loss %s. However as it's the start of the game I'll decide based on the expected averages and select 5-Q to discard.

After the 7 cut I'll play Offense to the lead.
Ras2829 says: HalscribCLX says it all for me. If 5-Q had not been suited, would have tossed 5-K. In my earlier cribbage days, would have tossed 3-5 every time.
Inushtuk1 says: My math says A-3-4-Q((5-K) unsuited is best by 0.07 points. The (5-Q) suited is only better than (5-K) by 0.04 points, but the A-3-4-Q is better for offensive pegs by 0.11 points.
Inushtuk1 says: I still don't think offense is the play before the cut. Optimal for me, and (3-5) fits the bill here.
JJx7fan

Joined: December 2023 (55 votes)

Monday 2:54 PM
First time posting.. although I have been lurking :)
Eolus619 says: welcome …now keep keep it up …and give us your reasons too ❗️
Ras2829 says: HiJJx7fan: Always nice when somebody emerges from the shadows. Hope you enjoy center stage in a beaming spotlight. A new voice in the chorus is always a very good thing. Thanks for taking that step. Welcome!
SallyAnn3 says: Finalllllllllllllllly!