September 29, 2024

*** This hand was suggested by Ras2829
55*-57  ?
47%
47%
31%
31%
7%
7%
5%
5%
4%
4%
1%
1%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
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Total votes: 232
Jazzselke

Joined: March 2009 (2748 votes)

Sunday 3:26 AM
Instructional hand by Ras - 79 a weak throw, so 23 is the toss even though 5 is only providing 2 points to the hand. Holding the adjoining 910 helps, but would play the hand the same way even with 23579K.
SallyAnn3 says: yay--I did it your way :)
MarktheShark

Joined: January 2024 (315 votes)

Sunday 3:42 AM
Normally, I would choose between 2-3 and 7-9. But, this is a Ras puzzle, so let me try to analyze the position. We need 5 holes to get to our par position (60), which we will certainly do. Pone needs 13 holes to get to his par position (70), so maybe I should be playing defense to hold Pone back. If so, then I suspect the 5-7 pitch gives me enough room to minimize Pone's pegging. Not something I would normally do, but I am still trying to improve my positional decisions. Am very interested in reading how others approach this.
Eolus619 says: Morning Mark..if you have time plz explain your comment on Par being 60 for dealer..is that because it is ten away from 70 and Pone averages earning ten points ( for next hand) ? thx
Eolus619 says: to clarify..my thinking is in the CPZ approach ..69-73 would be the next par goal ..ahead and dealing from that range ..could be wrong
MarktheShark says: I could easily be wrong. Is not 1st Dealer's first par hole at 08? Making his next par holes (as Dealer) 34 and then 60, etc.? 1st Pone needs a great hand to first reach hole 18 to be on par. Making his next par holes (as Pone) 44 and then 70, etc.? So, 60 for Dealer and 70 for Pone when Hand 5 (dealt by 1st Dealer) is completed. CPZ ranges are a few holes past those par holes.
MarktheShark says: And, yes, Dealer wants to next be at hole 70 (69-73) when he deals Hand 7. His par hole is 86 after that hand is completed.
Eolus619 says: thx for the explanation..i understand what you wrote. I use the CPZ methodology..so those CPZ par ranges are not related to reaching them in a ascending numbered hand sequence in the game like Colvert’s par holes are setup. with CPZ..the goal is to be ahead and dealing first as deep into each of the 4 zones as possible …regardless of what # hand it is in the game ..always appreciate your insights
MarktheShark says: When I reread your posting, I finally realized when you wrote "ahead and dealing" that we were both saying the same thing. I want to know where I need to be when the current hand is completed. That decides if I need to be aggressive or defensive during that hand.
Eolus619 says: just for fyi..Colvert’s dealer par holes by hand sequence are 7-17–33-43-59-69-85-95-111-121…all these based in the 26 theory cycle.
Eolus619 says: one other point ..whether a player plays board position or not ..and what mythology they use to decide on strategy if they do is up to them..so no judgement by me about what you initially wrote above about 60 be a par hole for dealer
Eolus619 says: mythology might work better than methodology …but your call on that too..geez
usacoder

Joined: August 2019 (1062 votes)

Sunday 3:54 AM
Too close to call. My top 3 tosses, 5-7; 7-9, and 2-3; each score 13.2. I kept the touchers.
james500

Joined: June 2013 (4169 votes)

Sunday 3:58 AM
2-3 for me too.

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29th Sep 2024
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Discards:
1. 3-9
2. Q-K
3. J-Q
4. 5-6
5. 4-4
6. 7-8
7. 4-J
8. J-Q
dec

Joined: April 2008 (6648 votes)

Sunday 4:49 AM
J-8-6 are cuts that increase hand five to six points. The 2-3 crib numbers are very good. dec
RubyTuesday

Joined: January 2019 (1105 votes)

Sunday 5:10 AM
I’m no good at analysis, the discard tables told me to throw 2 3 to my crib.
Gougie00

Joined: March 2008 (5986 votes)

Sunday 5:19 AM
Nothing obvious presents itself, so I'll toss myself 2-3 and pray the opponent throws me something to propel me down the board.
JQT

Joined: October 2008 (4332 votes)

Sunday 5:28 AM
Wordle 1,198 4/6 (taxis and planes have these)

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jmudge

Joined: July 2020 (891 votes)

Sunday 5:32 AM
Almost threw the 2-3, but in the end went with the 7-9.
glmccuskey

Joined: April 2011 (4337 votes)

Sunday 5:49 AM
I think this would provide me with a better defensive pegging hand and with my opponent at 57 I’m on the defense.
Eolus619

Joined: June 2020 (1577 votes)

Sunday 6:27 AM
hmmmm..I do not recall ever seeing the top three Liam dealer discards resulting in benefiting ..hand or crib..from all cuts. Playing pegging defense ( Pone @ 57)..the book says a five in a dealer’s keep is considered a potential pegging liability ..waiting for Ras to teach me 2-3 discard is the best idea until it isn’t !
ChMeyer

Joined: February 2021 (36 votes)

Sunday 7:05 AM
Has anyone done the math analysis? My choice of 5 7 seems to open up the most possibilities and it should be a sure 2 points in the crib, even of the cut card isn't a 5 or a 6.
Eolus619 says: morning..good to see you posting..welcome..Coeurdelion and Hal will have it later .. but between yourself and Liam it’s worth you doing it on your own..
Eolus619 says: and then Ras also will share his thoughts too..which are quite insightful
ChMeyer

Joined: February 2021 (36 votes)

Sunday 7:06 AM
Ras2829 says: Hi ChMeyer: Haven't noticed a post by you previously. A new voice in the choir is good thing. This is a very fast train with few stops along the way. Welcome aboard and enjoy the ride.
Inushtuk1

Joined: July 2016 (1694 votes)

Sunday 10:28 AM
While 5-7-9-10 is not the most defensive way to hold the hand, the (2-3) is just too strong not to toss it to our Crib. Besides, low cards are a pegging liability as well. Not just the 5. Like the past two days I think the expected averages will be within a tenth of a point. So style of play may rule the day. Defense to the lead. I think I will take the (15-2) on an X-Card lead to be rid of it.
hecklebush

Joined: February 2022 (301 votes)

Sunday 11:19 AM
I tend to play my hand first, crib second, and pegging third (except for the endgame) so I tossed 7-9 to the crib. The 5 cut was unexpected and added 6 points to my hand. CribPro results: 73-70 for a net gain of 5 points.
kal79

Joined: April 2024 (242 votes)

Sunday 12:46 PM
Considered 2-3 and 7-9 today, but didn’t like how 5-7-9-10 looked as my keep if I had tossed the superior 2-3 to my crib. Others have voiced that 2-3-5-10 isn’t a great pegging hand either as dealer, so 2-3 might be the better toss after all today.
Assman

Joined: May 2024 (246 votes)

Sunday 12:56 PM
I’m learning.
Sgt Pegger

Joined: July 2017 (514 votes)

Sunday 2:40 PM
2,3 to the crib for me.
Cribsurfer

Joined: September 2016 (870 votes)

Sunday 3:55 PM
I’ll go with 2-3
wasa

Joined: November 2014 (3226 votes)

Sunday 7:20 PM
when in doubt hard to go wrong tossing myself a 2-3
Ras2829

Joined: November 2008 (5388 votes)

Sunday 10:29 PM
Choosing defense this day as opponent needs 12 holes to deal from 3rd Street CPZ (69-73). Would like to hold n/d to 8 points or less. That means peg avoidance, play off the lead. Would play that lone 5 on any X-point lead as don't wish to retain the 5 as it can be trapped by 3-4, 4-6, 5-5, or 6-7. So, scoring two pegs with a lone 5 is often the best out. It's goodbye 2-3. BTW, with any other two mid-cards, the 2-3-5-X would be the better hand to retain with the mid-cards discarded to crib. Not much else to add. Yes, even cards 6-8 have much higher crib average to dealer than do odd cards 7-9.
MarktheShark says: Hi Ras, HalsCribCLX has not shown up yet to show me the numbers, so I wonder how defensive the 2-3 pitch is compared to the 5-7 pitch. The 2-3 pitch gives you more combined hand meld by maybe 1 hole (which I thought we did not need), but is it better for defensive pegging? (I do not mind holding small cards, so long as there are more than one.)