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Total votes: 269 |
Joined: June 2013 (4160 votes) Tuesday 3:14 AM
I'll keep the 4 + 2 = 6 points, rather than the flush. The discard of 6-7 does have a lot of potential though.
Cribbage Pro Scrimmage 8th Oct 2024 🏆Score: 121 to 113 🌋SP: 1440 📅Streak: 6 https://www.cribbagepro.net/scrimmage/269/3333658/1 Discards: Hand 1, 7-7 Hand 2, 3-Q Hand 3, 4-10 Hand 4, 8-K Hand 5, 2-5 Hand 6, A-10 Hand 7, A-3 Hand 8, 4-5? Hand 9, 2-4 |
Joined: April 2008 (6625 votes) Tuesday 3:28 AM
Play it defensively this way. Over half the deck adds to either hands or maybe even both. Defense to the lead. dec |
Joined: March 2008 (5976 votes) Tuesday 4:37 AM
Duck, Dodge and Parry. I went with the flush. |
Joined: January 2024 (306 votes) Tuesday 4:48 AM
If the spades were spread further apart, I would likely chose the flush for defensive purposes. |
Joined: March 2009 (2740 votes) Tuesday 5:02 AM
Will hold the combined 6 points. If we keep the flush and toss 67, a non-spade A, 4, 10, Q or K cut does not help either hand or crib. Eolus619 says: Jazz… VERY nice “cut” insight and also applying your increasingly famous cribbage theorem “ keeping the flush is the answer until it ISNT” SallyAnn3 says: 3 nore sleeps! |
Joined: May 2024 (236 votes) Tuesday 5:05 AM
I like the flush today. |
Joined: October 2008 (4323 votes) Tuesday 6:37 AM
We are the Dealer at Hole 111, and we need just Ten Points to WIN this tight Cribbage Endgame Battle, but our Opponent is "barking up 🐕 our tree" at Hole 110, and so Pone needs Eleven Points to defeat us.
We've dealt ourselves a 🚽 FLUSH, but this arrangement also alternatively has Two PAIRS, along with a Trey and a Jack for good measure. We wish to peg as defensively as possible to hold back Pone, and if we survive First Hand Show, we'd like to 'pack enough 🥊 punch' with our combined Hand and Crib tally to 'cover the distance' and stroll across the Finish Line. We could "Get the 💋 Red Out" and retain the Spade FLUSH ♠ ♠ ♠ ♠ with Keep (3s 6s 7s Js) and Toss (6h 7h), or we might also prefer either Toss (3 J), Toss (6 6), or Toss (7 7), and I tend to like these in the order listed. Therefore, it appears to be a contest between the FLUSH and Toss (7 7) today. A FLUSH is typically a defensive pegging hand, as it's tough to read, but if we retain the FLUSH today, if we peg only the Obligatory ⛳ One Hole, after a whopping Fifteen Non-Spade-Suited Cuts (AAA, 444, TTT, QQQ, KKK), we could 'stumble' into having only our Four-Point Hand, with ZILCH in our Crib, and in embarrassing fashion, our Front Peg could achieve a Final Resting Place at Hole 116! It's a bit tricky to assess, because although the FLUSH will give us the highest COMBINED Expected Average of Hand and Crib, and while the FLUSH might also defend well during the pegging, holding the FLUSH at this Relative Score is actually quite risky after Fifteen Non-Spade-Suited Cuts (AAA, 444, TTT, QQQ, KKK). Keep (3 6 6 J) starts out with Four Points just like the FLUSH, but it also entails stashing a PAIR into our Crib, and therefore this is a much more "balanced" approach. Let's Toss (7 7) today and avoid such an embarrassing "running out of gas" occurrence and possible defeat. After the 6c Card Cut, we now have a Dozen Points in our Hand, and "Who Cares?" what we have in our Crib! Our sole remaining task is to prevent Pone from pegging enough to maybe "steal" a VICTORY right out from under us, and thus we must remain both observant and vigilant throughout the pegging. Pegging in a defensive manner is not that difficult, but it does require us to avoid going into our default "auto-pilot" pegging mode, because instead of taking points or setting up scoring opportunities, we're looking to restrain Pone 🥋 from scoring. After an Ace or Deuce Lead, replying with a 6 Card from our PAIR leaves us 🍂 with three different card ranks, and thus we are left with the Maximum Variety remaining in our Hand. Proceeding in this fashion is far more defensive than trying to set up a Fifteen-Two that we really don't need, and getting our remaining cards all 'jammed 🎵 🎸 up' in the process. After a Trey Lead, our 6 Card Reply is extremely safe, since only another 6 Card could score, and we were dealt HALF of them. PAIRING a Trey Lead may allow us to peg not just the PAIR, but if Pone then has PAIRS Royal, we could play a 6 Card for (15=2). But our only reason to peg aggressively would be if we strongly suspected 🙄 that after seeing the Cut Card, we were confident that Pone has a sufficient Hand to go out. After a 4 Card, 5 Card, 7 Card, or an 8 Card Lead by Pone, reply with the Jack a.k.a. the "Duck 🦆 Call." We're most concerned with avoiding Runs and other high-scoring pegging occurrences, but Pone might only need a simple Fifteen-Two or PAIR or even a simple "go" to WIN, and it's impossible to avoid everything. 🍕 🥤 🌸 After a 6 Card or a 9 Card Lead by Pone, we can score the respective PAIR or Fifteen-Two, but in these instances, the taking of points is "accidental" and only occurs because these are the most DEFENSIVE replies that we have, and as noted earlier, unloading a 6 Card from our PAIR leaves us 🍂 with three different card ranks, and thus we are left with the Maximum Variety remaining in our Hand. After any "X" Card Lead by Pone, we should reply with a 6 Card from our PAIR. It's very interesting if Pone were to then PAIR our 6 Card at such a juncture; I believe we should usually refrain from 'gobbling' 🦃 PAIRS Royal, as Pone might then set up a few Aces for Self-PAIRING: beware of such risks, and try to choose OFFENSE or DEFENSE, and PICK A SIDE! Pegging POINTS does us NO GOOD, unless we believe with some certainty that Pone has enough to go out, in which case, onward! 🗽 Wordle 1,207 4/6 (one type of compound) ⬛⬛🟨🟩⬛ ⬛🟩⬛🟩⬛ ⬛🟩🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 Eolus619 says: John..very educational and thought provoking puzzle..both as to what to keep and what strategy to employ.Thx ❗️ Plz help me understand why Liam thinks the flush is 3rd as to total points..hand + crib while you say it’s first
https://cliambrown.com/cribbage/?data=3S6H6S7H7SJSY&dch
JQT says: I believe there is a teensy typo 😱 in the start of my fifth paragraph where it begins: "It's a bit tricky to assess, because although the FLUSH will give us the highest COMBINED Expected Average of Hand and Crib..." as it should read: "although the Two PAIRS (6 6 7 7) will give us..." (not the FLUSH). Also, remember that the C. Liam Brown Site data does NOT include PEGGING, nor does it use POSITION to determine its suggestions. Incidentally, the REX Crib DEFENSIVE PEGGING Figures for these three choices are: (1) Toss (7 7) DEFENSIVE PEGGING is -1.98 Points; (2) Toss (3 J) DEFENSIVE PEGGING is -2.20 Points; (3) Toss (6h 7h) DEFENSIVE PEGGING is -2.39 Points. This tends to confirm that we can probably peg more defensively after Toss (7 7) today, as compared with both the FLUSH idea and Toss (3 J). 🌄 Eolus619 says: thx John |
Joined: March 2020 (1090 votes) Tuesday 6:37 AM
I held the flush to have escape cards. Others too bunched up to get caught in runs. |
Joined: July 2016 (1687 votes) Tuesday 7:37 AM
What ever happened to safety in numbers? Having been dealt so many mid-cards, Pone probably won't have use for them. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it until someone proves me wrong. No doubt someone will. I'll play a 6 of course on the unlikely (I hope) 8 lead. Inushtuk1 says: "That's my story and I'm sticking to it until someone proves me wrong." Don't bother! I just did 10 play outs, and only won 3. LOL. JQT says: The "safety" can easily be spoiled by two sets of "touching" cards such as (6 6 7 7), as this will frequently get 'jammed up' after Pone leads almost any card ranked between a 4 Card and an 8 Card, inclusive, which is a massive swath (technical term) of Sixteen Cards that are likely dangerous for this hand to respond to, and that's 35% of the remaining deck. (I say almost, because a few of these, such as a 6 Card Reply to an 8 Card Lead, do have some 'Negative Delta' from the two 7 Cards being held, so the danger is slightly less.) 🧸 JQT says: Even though the two PAIRS here are "touching" cards, there is still quite a bit of inherent safety when holding these, because when we are dealt HALF of something, then the odds of that thing (or card rank) having been dealt to our Opponent is greatly reduced! Furthermore, after the 6 Card Cut, this makes the lower PAIR even more unique. Rex Crib lists this hand of (6 6 7 7) as among the Top Five defensive pegging hands, but in order for the "Safety in Numbers" concept to really 🌞 shine, it's best if there is more spacing between what you have a lot of, and those other cards. It would also be very interesting to compare and contrast hands like (2 2 7 7) with (2 2 2 7), and see whether groups of two or groups of three are better for defensive pegging. Inushtuk1 says: Thanks John. |
Joined: July 2017 (506 votes) Tuesday 7:55 AM
The flush....they track it. |
Joined: July 2017 (506 votes) Tuesday 7:55 AM
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Joined: March 2023 (489 votes) Tuesday 9:52 AM
Objective here is defensive pegging. 6677 would not be a great hand for that. I do like seeing the flush keeps. I keep missing those. |
Joined: January 2019 (1102 votes) Tuesday 10:13 AM
I’m with inushtuk here, I’ve kept the two pairs and thrown 3 J. |
Joined: July 2020 (529 votes) Tuesday 10:33 AM
I felt the 2 pairs were WAY too much trouble in allowing them to peg - would prefer the flush hold for defensive pegging, but in the end, went with a total of 6 points hand and crib. |
Joined: August 2011 (3113 votes) Tuesday 10:44 AM
Agree 7-7 to crib. No pegs needed so will avoid if at all possible. |
Joined: April 2024 (238 votes) Tuesday 11:37 AM
Took the flush today but understanding the value in 7-7 to the crib as well, that may be the best option today. No matter the keep, defense should be our avenue for pegging. Pone is 11 points from going out, so an “average” hand for pone would get them to 118, plus any pegs. If we can survive this hand, this game is ours to lose! |
Joined: September 2016 (865 votes) Tuesday 3:12 PM
I want to avoid pegs so gonna keep 4 points and have some escape cards |
Joined: April 2021 (1266 votes) Tuesday 5:55 PM
Not concerned in the slightest about counting out, so what is the best way to prevent any pegging against us should be almost the sole focus in this great endgame puzzle. The ranked cards far apart from low to high, as well as the "safety" in numbers provided by our pair of 6's (not to mention that in conjunction we get to throw a strong pair to our crib) would seem to give this choice the edge over any other. Keeping the (3 7 7 J) (although only 2 pts and a weaker crib throw) should work in this position most of the time as well, although the 7's feel a little bit more naturally dangerous to retain in our hand. Let's not lose sight and focus of our goal, namely to avoid giving up any pegs if at all possible. MiketheExpert says: Although my comments says I am not concerned about counting out only 10 pts away, it would seem that holding the flush of 4 and throwing (6 7) suited does add up to "more" ways in which we could fall short, though I believe the overall average is higher. This may hold true with the (3 7 7 J) and (6 6) throw in comparison as well, which has an even worse expected average than the chosen pick, but it is a safer defensive keep than the flush. Why tempt fate by cutting away points and strength from a hand that appears to be no safer than the best choice? Ras2829 says: Am just an echo to JQT and MiketheExpert this day. Not much to add. Avoid pegs is the primary mission. |
Joined: October 2007 (5765 votes) Wednesday 12:29 AM
I'll look at 3-6S-7S-J (6H-7H), 6-6-7-7 (3-J) and 3-6-6-7H (7S-J):
3-6S-7S-J: 4pts + 5pts (Schell: 4.98) = 9pts 6-6-7-7: 4pts + 3¾pts (Schell: 3.90) = 7¾pts 3-6-6-7H: 4pts + 3½pts (Schell: 3.53) = 7½pts Potential: 3-6S-7S-J: Improves with 2222, 333, 5555, 66, 77, 8888, 9999, JJJ = 6 cuts = 26/46 = 56.5% up to 8/9/11pts with 2222, 5555, 66, 8888 = 14 cuts. Plus 9 spade cuts for 1pt extra for his nob and 1pt for the flush =(2x9)/48 = 0.39pt. 6-6-7-7: Improves with AAAA, 2222, 333, 5555, 66, 77, 8888, 9999 = 27 cuts = 27/46 = 58.7% up to 8/12/16/20pts with 2222, 5555, 66, 77, 8888, 9999 = 20 cuts. 3-6-6-7H: Improves with 2222, 333, 5555, 66, 77, 8888, 9999 = 23 cuts = 23/46 = 50.0% up to 8/12pts with 2222, 333, 5555, 66, 8888, 9999 = 21 cuts. Position: Pone only needs 11pts to go out while we need 10pts and have 3 takes to do it in. So I'll play Defense. Pegging: Playing Defense I think 6-6-7-7 will peg well but the flush will also be hard to read. Summary: The flush is best for starting value by 1¼pts and it also has an additional 0.39pt. for a spade cut. It should also peg well so I'll throw the 6H-7H. |
Joined: February 2008 (5532 votes) Wednesday 12:29 AM
At 111*-110 playing an Optimal strategy for the pegging (cautious offense) the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:
_________________Net Optimal_____Hand_Pegs_Crib_Total____Win %___Loss % 3-6S-7S-J____6.35+1.07+4.70=12.11____58.8____41.2 3-6-6-J______5.54+0.59+5.75=11.88____65.8____34.2 6-6-7-7______6.57+0.76+3.93=11.25____62.7____37.3 3-6-6-7H_____6.35+1.07+3.29=10.70____58.9____41.1 3-6S-7S-J is best for expected averages but in this end game board position Win/Loss %s are more important. 3-6-6-J is appreciably best for Win %s and lowest for Loss %s so I'll select 7-7 to discard. After the 6 cut I'll play Defense to the lead. |