December 18, 2024

*** This hand was suggested by scottcrib
108-104*  ?
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Total votes: 288
scottcribCribbagePro hand. Is this a Wasa special?
dec

Joined: April 2008 (6625 votes)

Wednesday 3:58 AM
I don't see 6-9 or discarding a five to add to a score with a four or a face card cut for more positive points for our scoring position. Ten lead. dec
MarktheShark

Joined: January 2024 (305 votes)

Wednesday 4:27 AM
No flush. 3-9 or 6-9 seem best for hand meld; a good cut would help 3-6 or 3-T. Try for the easier double run or face card. After the cut, lead the Ten and peg a few.
Andy (muesli64)

Joined: August 2009 (2251 votes)

Wednesday 4:37 AM
The flush 56910 has the highest expectation for points. And that is what we are interested in.
Gougie00

Joined: March 2008 (5976 votes)

Wednesday 5:05 AM
The last train out of town again. Keeping the 556 together. Lead the 10 and induce some pegging
glmccuskey

Joined: April 2011 (4329 votes)

Wednesday 5:30 AM
HfxKen

Joined: February 2020 (1083 votes)

Wednesday 5:45 AM
All of the X cards unaccounted for, made me disregard the tempting flush.
scottcrib says: The flush scores just as much and often more than your keep when an X card is cut.
HfxKen says: I did see that. I was factoring in the four 4s and four 7s that are out there. Thanks for pointing that out though!
JQT

Joined: October 2008 (4323 votes)

Wednesday 6:00 AM
We need Thirteen Points as Pone to WIN, so let's assume that we might be able to peg ⛳ One Hole, just as we assumed yesterday and the day before. This is a slug-fest between Toss (3c 5d) and Toss (3c 9c). Just as previously, let's get a Hand Mapping of both Discard Choices:

(108-104*) (3c 5d 5c 6c 9c Tc) Cut = 2d, by scottcrib, Dec 18, 2024.

Dump the 3c-5d Idea:

Keep (5c 6c 9c Tc) and Toss (3c 5d)

Expected Hand Average is 508 DIV 46 = 11.043
(minus) Expected Crib Value (Schell) is 6.780 [don't care]
Total is 11.043 [use Hand Average/ignore Crib]

02x14=028 - 4c, Jc (Maximum Hand, 2 cuts = 14 Points)
06x13=078 - 444, JJJ (8 cuts >= 13 Points)
13x12=156 - 55, 666, 7c, 8c, 999, TTT (21 cuts >= 12 Points)
09x11=099 - Ac, 777, 888, Qc, Kc (30 cuts >= 11 Points)
09x10=090 - AAA, QQQ, KKK (39 cuts >= 10 Points)
01x09=009 - 2c (40 cuts >= 9 Points)
06x08=048 - 222, 333 (Minimum Hand, 6 Cuts = 8 Points)
46 ___ 508

* * *

Dump the 3c-9c Idea:

Keep (5d 5c 6c Tc) and Toss (3c 9c)

Expected Hand Average is 434 DIV 46 = 9.435
(minus) Expected Crib Value (Schell) is 4.870 [don't care]
Total is 9.435 [use Hand Average/ignore Crib]

04x16=064 - 4444 (Maximum Hand, 4 cuts = 16 Points)
02x14=028 - 55 (6 cuts >= 14 Points)
07x12=084 - 7777, TTT (13 cuts >= 12 Points)
12x10=120 - JJJJ, QQQQ, KKKK (25 cuts >= 10 Points)
06x08=048 - 666, 999 (31 cuts >= 8 Points)
15x06=090 - AAAA, 2222, 333, 8888 (Minimum Hand, 15 Cuts = 6 Points)
46 ___ 434

* * *

After Toss (3c 5d), we have Eight Cuts (4444, JJJJ) that will yield Thirteen Points or more, and yet after Toss (3c 9c), in spite of the ability to obtain Sixteen Points after Four Cuts (4444), we have only Six Cuts (4444, 55) that will yield Fourteen Points or more. 🎪

Toss (3 9) sends less help 'over the board' but it's less than a difference of Two Points. I think we should hold the FLUSH as the much stronger hand. 🏆

Let's Toss (3c 5d) today. After the Queen of Spades Cut Card, we have Ten Points in our Hand, and we need to peg Three Holes in order to WIN. Lead the Ten "T" Card, and if we cannot peg Three Holes, try not to give up more than One Hole to the Dealer. 🍹
JQT says: Second Paragraph, problem statement should have: Cut = Qs
JQT says: Here's an interesting playout when I needed to peg Five Holes! (5c 6c 9c Tc) (3c 5d) vs (2 4 4 K) (8 T) Cut = 3h, Pegging: 9 (9) 2 (11) T! (21) K (31=2), 6 (6) 4 (10) 5 (15-5) 4 (19=1), (121-107*).
Rosemarie44

Joined: March 2016 (2067 votes)

Wednesday 6:31 AM
The Flush has the highest potential for points with many cuts. We only need 13 points to go out.
wasa

Joined: November 2014 (3218 votes)

Wednesday 6:41 AM
Keep the hand that has the best chance to get 12+. JQT summarizes it nicely.
fentesk

Joined: January 2021 (1439 votes)

Wednesday 6:42 AM
Very interesting score. I decided to take an approach that I feel gives me the option to go for it this hand while still potentially keeping dealer below average and have the chance to peg out next hand.

I think it's very close between the 3-9 and flush (3-5). Either way I believe we're still < 50% to get a dozen, so we're likely to be pegging to get out, and that's not my strong suit.

If I absolutely wanted to go out this hand I'm keeping the flush and sending the 3-5 (maybe if dealer were at 107/108?). Today, I'll send over the 3-9 and with the Q cut will lead the 10.
Eolus619

Joined: June 2020 (1568 votes)

Wednesday 6:48 AM
hmmmmm…a learning day for me ..I will add Scott’s fine puzzle to my log book under the heading “don’t really know what to do” incidentally those pages are getting crowded with examples ..my thinking today is …n/der has a 25% chance to earn 13 points ..Dealer has a 50% chance to earn 16 points..why “aide” dealer getting 16 by tossing 3-5 that averages nearly 7 ( sorry JQT….I decided to care about this ..maybe mistakenly !) AND..also apologies to Al Miller ..going to try to make it to next hand being close enough to peg out. If I needed the win to make the playoffs..upon further review ..I very well might chose the flush.
Assman

Joined: May 2024 (236 votes)

Wednesday 7:08 AM
Keeping the juicy flush. Lead the T.
Jazzselke

Joined: March 2009 (2740 votes)

Wednesday 7:46 AM
Splitting the baby only because the dealer is 17 out. 2 points or more closer I would then keep the flush.
james500

Joined: June 2013 (4160 votes)

Wednesday 8:51 AM
Eight points pre-cut, with reasonable chances at more afterwards.
guideontheside

Joined: July 2020 (529 votes)

Wednesday 9:07 AM
Going for the win, and didn't want to get trapped in pegging.
Sgt Pegger

Joined: July 2017 (506 votes)

Wednesday 9:09 AM
The flush is my choice today. Only the A,2 are of no help. If we cut a 5,6,9,10 then all we need is a simple "go" and we win! I see too many opportunities with this hold that say, "go for it". Either the 6 or the 10 lead which always depends upon who's in that seat across from me.
wasa says: I might be missing something, but the A goes with the 5-9 combo for 2 points. I'm seeing the 2 or 3 not helping us.
wasa says: Technically, the 2c or 3c helps, so only 6 cards don't help ;-)
Sgt Pegger says: Great catch wasa! I meant the 2,3 are really the only 2 cards that do not help.
Djgoat

Joined: December 2023 (117 votes)

Wednesday 9:43 AM
I wanted to go with the 5, 6, 9 , 10 flush but really didn't want to put a 5 in their crib so went this way.