January 17, 2025
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Total votes: 287 |
Joined: March 2016 (2090 votes) Friday 3:38 AM
Here goes. Don't shoot the messenger. Does anyone really know how Ras thinks. Eolus619 says: Rosemarie β¦He even admits to having a convoluted cribbage mind Rosemarie44 says: Bruce - Yesterday's hand - Ras and Halscib flipped on their choice with a past hand! |
Joined: January 2019 (1120 votes) Friday 3:51 AM
I thought of throwing 9 9, looked at the discard tables and hastily changed my mind and threw myself 2 3. |
Joined: February 2009 (1577 votes) Friday 4:24 AM
Iβm with the crowd today dph says: Good luck with those pesky piranha(s) tomorrow. Doesn't 'piranha' feel like it should be both the singular and plural? |
Joined: October 2008 (4353 votes) Friday 4:24 AM
It's the Middle Friday (or the Third of Five Fridays) of January 2025, and RAS has 'set the table' with a splendid Cribbage Puzzle for us Baseball Fans. (For those who play Poker, there is a Seven-Card Stud Variant called "Baseball" in which the Treys and 9 Cards are "Wild," and this puzzle seems very reminiscent of that variation!) βΎ
(*) Incidentally, it seems that there is one way we could possibly strive for getting EITHER: a Twenty-Point Hand; OR, a Twenty-Point Crib, and it's not-at-all readily obvious what we should do if this crazy outcome were our only goal. Think about it, and we'll examine the path to such an absurdity a bit later. π§ It's a good thing we don't need those Twenty-Points, because the odds of getting such a ridiculous outcome are exceedingly remote. Instead, given the Relative Score and the fact that we are Ahead and Dealing, we should be thinking more probabilistically of what is more LIKELY to actually occur. In this realm, we could consider Toss (2 3), Toss (3 3), and Toss (9 9). π Ironically, if we accept that starting off with Eight Points as our Best Hand, and if we're also willing to settle for "come what may" in our Crib, we might actually 'stumble' onto an idea such as Keep (3 3 9 9) and Toss (2 9), and we'll cover this hybrid solution or "Corner Case" in more detail a bit later. π· Let's Toss (2 3) today, and 'fish in both streams' as it were! This idea allows us to at least attempt to "strike a balance" between our prospective Hand and Crib, and meanwhile it stashes quite a 'jolt' of energy into our Crib, and while it doesn't leave us with a great Pegging Hand, we should have some "Safety in Numbers" with the PAIRS Royal in 9 Cards. π¦’ Some may be wondering: What are the odds of cutting the "Case" 9 Card? That's an easy question: the odds we shall obtain the fourth and final or "Case" 9 Card via the cut are precisely the same odds that we shall cut any other specific card that we were not dealt, which happens to be 1/46 equals 0.02174 or about 2%. π² Almost astonishingly, if we Keep (2 9 9 9) and Toss (3 3), after getting a Case 9 Card Cut, we might find ourselves holding a Twelve-Point Hand, and a Twenty-Four Point Crib if Pone were to Toss (3 3). And that would 'add up' to a combined Thirty-Six Points, placing us at or beyond Hole 75 by completion of this deal! π’ (*) What, pray-tell, is the answer however to our earlier ridiculous quest of trying to get either a Twenty-Point Hand or a Twenty-Point Crib? The answer is: Keep (3 3 9 9) and Toss (2 9)! We would then need to get EITHER: a Trey Cut for Twenty Points in our Hand, OR: after a Deuce Cut, we would have to be on the receiving end of Toss (2 2) coming from Pone. π‘ Back to our Game: After the Case 9 Card Cut, we now have those coveted Dozen Points in our Hand, with at least Two Points (and probably more) forthcoming in our Crib, which means that we'll navigate at least to Hole 53 (or perhaps beyond) by the completion of this deal. πͺ Ravel Piano Concerto πΉ in G Major (Adagio), Martha Argerich https://youtu.be/jeuYd8nltBo |
Joined: March 2008 (6007 votes) Friday 4:44 AM
Keeping the 999 together. Do I prefer 23 or 33? |
Joined: April 2008 (6676 votes) Friday 4:48 AM
Hey its a four of a kind progressive hand we have in a club pool. I go with 2-3 in the crib. dec |
Joined: April 2011 (4356 votes) Friday 5:37 AM
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Joined: May 2024 (267 votes) Friday 6:34 AM
I just canβt balk my own crib so severely to maintain 2 more points in my hand. Sending 2 points to the crib is fine with me. |
Joined: June 2020 (1597 votes) Friday 7:03 AM
I have a closed mind on this ..my inflexible final answer is tossing the 2nd highest average dealer discard and holding a keep that gets cut help ( hand/crib) from 10/13 ranks. And when, as dealer a puzzle involves possibly discarding a pair, it is always worth a review of where all the pair discards are grouped by Ras. Alert ..he counsels 10s & Ks are to be avoided
https://www.cribbage.org/NewSite/tips/rasmussen6.asp Eolus619 says: Also..There is a board position lesson in this puzzle..Current dealer is short five points of CPZ #2 target β¦.44
38*-35..64*-61..90*-87..116*-113β¦ β26β is an average ..but this can happen Sgt Pegger says: Thanks for the.....thanks! Do you go by a different name on eCribbage? Eolus619 says: Sgt...I am Edgar619 on ecrib |
Joined: June 2013 (4187 votes) Friday 7:16 AM
All the comments so far are in favour of the 2-3 discard, mine included. Is there a similar consensus on what hand we'd award the silver medal? I reckon I'd choose 2-3-3-9 (9-9). MarktheShark says: After exactly 100 votes, we have: 2-3 (48%), 2-9 (37%), 9-9 (11%), 3-3 (4%) ... puts me in bronze rather than silver. MiketheExpert says: I would still choose (9 9) as my 2nd choice, which is unusual to choose a 4-pt starting hand over an 8-pointer, but the crib throw and vastly superior pegging edges this out for me over the (2 9) toss. MarktheShark says: And after exactly 250 votes, since I just noticed it ... 2-3 (42.8%), 2-9 (37.6%), 9-9 (12.0%), 3-3 (7.2%), 3-9 (0.4%). |
Joined: January 2024 (336 votes) Friday 7:21 AM
Very interesting hand. Need to improve my position. 2-9 and 3-3 are not for me. Do I keep the better melders (2-3 pitch) or the better peggers (9-9 pitch)? I am a pegger, so it appears I am the maverick again. Interested to hear from Ras and HalscribCLX. Ras2829 says: HiMarktheShark: Like your thinking. More later! MiketheExpert says: It is refreshing to have these different personalities and styles commenting...Even though my outlook on pegging is different from yours, it is hard to judge one as better than another. Whereas HAL "quantifies" pegging strength into its calculations at each type of strategy (offensive, optimal, defense), I acknowledge the pegging importance, but it remains as "subjective" or qualitative normally in my decisions. As an example, yesterday I would have judged the flush to be a BETTER pegger than that of (A 4 7 7) according to my desired strategy. But noted that HAL actually rated it as slightly INFERIOR (+2.96) vs. (+3.00) for offense. So, there you go! :) MarktheShark says: I have a love/hate relationship with pegging calculations. Yesterday, my unreliable table (from Schempp, I think) scored it +3.70 for the flush and +3.59 for the 9-T. It all depends on how good the methodology is. I know you are not one, Mike, but I have no sympathy for the many who believe +3.00 is "better" than +2.96. Cribbage is an art not a science; much more important to understand risk/reward and to be able to read your opponent's cards than to dwell on a computer's third significant digit. The margin of error of those and similar cribbage calculations suggests they are the same number or possibly inverted ... and strongly suggests looking elsewhere for which option is better. JQT says: Some puzzles are indeed wide open to interpretation, and there is nothing like performing a few hundred playouts to help see whether an idea or decision or pegging play can stand the test and rigor of real, live play. We often see human emotion 'at play.' I agree there is little to celebrate over an idea that maybe gets us 1/25 (one-twenty-fifth, or 0.04 Points) farther down the board. The "mistake" can be compounded because an obsession with details sometimes not only results in a trivial and tiny number of added points, but even more importantly, it appears to reward the act of spending so much time and study on what amounts to be very little gained. Meanwhile, there are other puzzles in which a clearly superior discard may win 60% of the time, while all other choices might win 45% or less, and therefore such an idea, if learned and applied, will lead to a significant gain in points, and will translate into more wins! And yet players may say, "I still like to do it this way" and thus they almost guarantee that they will arrive at an inferior choice in the future BY CHOOSING an idea that is demonstrably wrong, simply out of stubbornness and reluctance to accept an obvious truth. I agree that we need to "let go" of the fractional differences, but we should also accept new ideas the moment they demonstrate superior results, for sometimes it is more akin to science! π¨ |
Joined: July 2017 (532 votes) Friday 8:12 AM
Looks like a "no-brainer" today.....and I am overqualified for it! Eolus619 says: Sgt. thanks for your ACC GR ecrib TDing..! |
Joined: November 2014 (3246 votes) Friday 8:26 AM
2-3 to the crib for sure, and keep the 3 clubs to go with the 9 club to potentially fake a flush if opportunity arises |
Joined: March 2014 (602 votes) Friday 8:33 AM
The sole 3-3-9-9 player so far this morning. I chose the sure 8 points and bonused (new word?). 12 in the hand just like the rest of the contributors π€·πΌββοΈ
Happy Day to All John Djgoat says: I wanted to but 23 vs 92 broke the deal for me |
Joined: August 2023 (26 votes) Friday 8:37 AM
2-3 to crib seems like best option. 9-2 too big a spread to keep 2 more points in hand and like possibilities with the 2-3 toss |
Joined: December 2023 (142 votes) Friday 9:20 AM
I wanted to keep 9933 but the sure 6 and 23 to my crib for at least 8 was too tempting
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Joined: February 2008 (5551 votes) Friday 11:09 AM
At 38*-35 playing an Optimal strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:
_______________Net Optimal___Hand_Pegs____Crib_Total____W6 %____W7 % 2-3-3-9____7.87+ 1.28 +4.87=14.03____26.6____38.9 3-9-9-9____7.00=(-0.63)+6.79=13.16____27.6____43.3 Optimal_______L6 %____L7 % 2-3-3-9________22.1____38.8 3-9-9-9________19.2____43.3 2-3-3-9 is better for expected averages by 0.87pt. but 3-9-9-9 is considerably better for Win %s and lower for Loss %s so I'll select a 2-3 to discard. After the 9 cut I'll play Offense to the lead. |
Joined: January 2010 (325 votes) Friday 11:18 AM
Looks like I'm the odd one out. But it worked in my favor! |
Joined: March 2020 (1109 votes) Friday 11:27 AM
Third day in a row that I've talked myself out of my first thought. Just so many more cuts for this hand to give me a dozen, others to being it back to 8, plus the pair in my crib |
Joined: July 2016 (1713 votes) Friday 11:36 AM
On Offense I would choose the 2-3-3-9(9-9), and three cards of high pegging value. But at -6 and Pone at +1 I think this is best. |
Joined: April 2021 (1280 votes) Friday 12:52 PM
If there are 2 close decisions, I will rely upon the expected / combined value of hand and crib, rather than variations due an offensive or optimal pegging strategy, as clearly the better pegging hand for either would be to retain (2-3-3-9) while tossing the 9's. My gut will throw the 2nd best crib toss (2-3) and keep those 6 pts in hand, with still potential for a monster hand/crib kept intact. |
Joined: August 2009 (2263 votes) Friday 2:59 PM
Looks like the book throw.
Provocative cut! |
Joined: November 2008 (5412 votes) Friday 6:08 PM
At hole 38, my choice of strategy was offense. HalscribCLX has chosen optimal. The 2-3-3-9 does even better if choosing offense because of the greater hand potential and pegs for 2-3-3-9 as dealer are in excess of 3 points. Potential hand-size is nearly 1 point better than holding 3-9-9-9. Those advantages are too much for 2-3 to crib to overcome. Will play on the lead. That means would score 15-2 on a six, pair a nine, pair a trey, pair a deuce as if n/d has third deuce for count of six, dealer 9 will score 15-2. Ras2829 says: And this choice tallied 11% this day. |